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  • stealthflanker
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    • Sep 2015
    • 1027

    i guess.. we won't see the 1.4 m Zaslon M aperture on BM-2 eh ?

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    • Austin
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      • Oct 2003
      • 6506

      Interview with Russian Airforce Chief Viktor

      Taking into account the combat experience


      http://redstar.ru/index.php/2011-07-...-boevogo-opyta
      - Viktor, at what rate will continue to supply new technology in the VCS?

      - In accordance with the state program of armaments Aerospace forces receive a sufficient number of aircraft and helicopters. To 2025 will be updated fleet of aircraft up to 80-90 percent. Thus serviceability bring home up to 95 percent. This also applies to military aircraft and anti-aircraft missile troops, radar troops, as well as spacecraft.

      - Is it true that the pattern in which the PAK FA several moves to the right?


      - We do not need a party of two or three cars, and much more. We want to get as many planes that could complement their squadron. And then gradually increase the number of planes required to thereby attain a qualitatively new level.

      - What is the situation with the strategic bombers Tu-160m2?


      - Here we are on schedule. It is planned that the first aircraft will fly reproduced in March next year. We hope that our long-range aviation in the future will receive three to four aircraft per year.
      "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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      • haavarla
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Dec 2008
        • 6715

        Wut!? 3-4 Tu-160 a year?? Is not even with the overhaul Airframe can they reach that.. this is bs
        Thanks

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        • Marcellogo
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          • Jun 2014
          • 1840

          Why not?
          It's an huge plane but it's still a plane, if the plant is big enought to handle it and there is enough money allocated why producing/overhauling 3/4 four-engined 110 tons bombers each year would be more complicated than 50 twin engined Flanker/ Fullbacks like actually happen?
          Last edited by Marcellogo; 19th June 2017, 19:24.

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          • TR1
            TR1
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            • Oct 2010
            • 9826

            Minor event coming up - 100th Su-30SM will soon fly.

            Nice pic of another SM, and the MS-21 with landing gear raised:

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            • TR1
              TR1
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              • Oct 2010
              • 9826

              Hmmmm.

              http://www.ato.ru/content/ilyushin-v...link=mai&pos=4

              Il and Pratt& Whitney Canada have signed a memorandum to began studying the fitting of the PW127H engines to the Il-114.

              https://www.ruaviation.com/news/2017/6/20/9001/

              20 L-410s are planned to be produced domestically by 2020.
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              • ijozic
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                • May 2014
                • 613

                Originally posted by Berkut
                I will be very very surprised if they modified the belly to fit 6 missiles. If they wanted to stick on more R-37M's on it, pylons would be the way to go.
                Yeah, I wouldn't bet it's a feasible modification without some structural changes to the airframe. Otherwise, it probably would have been considered for the original BM upgrade.

                I can't find any bottom fuselage shots of the 051 Blue, but I don't see any mention of it being modified to fit 6 missiles either so probably only the new built M airframes have those.

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                • Berkut
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2011
                  • 2216

                  Well, i didnt say they will be doing it. I said it would be easier/better to do it that way than modifying the whole underside. And as said, clearly the wings are structurally up for it since original BM could carry Kh-58/Kh-31 not to mention fuel tanks. They didnt consider it for BM because that upgrade was more aimed towards ground capability. Either way, more missiles is pure speculation for BM2.

                  051 was a frankenstein between vanilla and M as i remember it, so yeah, probably normal belly.

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                  • TR1
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                    • Oct 2010
                    • 9826

                    https://lenta.ru/news/2017/06/20/byelorussian/

                    Belarus is buying 12 Su-30SM.
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                    • haavarla
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                      • Dec 2008
                      • 6715

                      Have they recieved any so far?
                      Thanks

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                      • TR1
                        TR1
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                        • Oct 2010
                        • 9826

                        No, but rumors floated earlier, now it seems concrete.
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                        • haavarla
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 6715

                          Right.. so that is 6+6 Yak-130 and 12 SM'S.
                          Any idea if Belarus will ditch the Migs in their Inventory?
                          Thanks

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                          • TR1
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                            • Oct 2010
                            • 9826

                            Aviadarts:



















                            Unrelated but neat photo:

                            Last edited by TR1; 20th June 2017, 22:47.
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                            • a89
                              a89
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                              • Sep 2011
                              • 376

                              No, but rumors floated earlier, now it seems concrete.
                              A preliminary contract had been signed on February 2016.

                              Any idea if Belarus will ditch the Migs in their Inventory?
                              It is too early to say, but the link provided by TR1 states that the Su-30SMs will replace the Mig-29s. I always found the decission to acquire Su-30 a bit strange. Belarus has an upgrade for the MiG-29, and the extra range of the Flanker is not really worth it. Earlier Su-27 were retired because of lack of spares and

                              New MiG-29M2s/35Ms could have done the job.
                              History and Military Technology blog

                              alejandro-8en.blogspot.com

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                              • TR1
                                TR1
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                                • Oct 2010
                                • 9826

                                They are also buying Protvnik-GE radars:

                                https://www.belnovosti.by/politika/b...u-protivnik-ge

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                                • maurobaggio
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Jul 2008
                                  • 521

                                  Originally posted by Berkut View Post
                                  Well, i didnt say they will be doing it. I said it would be easier/better to do it that way than modifying the whole underside. And as said, clearly the wings are structurally up for it since original BM could carry Kh-58/Kh-31 not to mention fuel tanks. They didnt consider it for BM because that upgrade was more aimed towards ground capability. Either way, more missiles is pure speculation for BM2.

                                  051 was a frankenstein between vanilla and M as i remember it, so yeah, probably normal belly.


                                  In fact, the Kh-58/Kh-31 missiles were added with prototype MiG-31F in the 80's or even the MiG-31BM in the 2000's, still the MiG-31B/BS/Dz had been equipped with up 06 BRV( Beyond Visual Range) with SARH( Semi Active Radar Homing) and IRH( Infra Red Homing) missiles: 04 R-33 (490 Kg) SARH missiles on the ventral supports and 02 R-40 IRH or SARH missiles (675 Kg) on ​​the wing pylons, however after 2010 the R-40 were removed from service.

                                  While the MiG-31M these could have been equipped with up 10 BRV with ARH ( Active Radar Homing) missiles: 06 R-37 (600 kg) missiles on the ventral support and 04 R-77 (RVV-AE) on the pylons on the wings.

                                  However, the MiG-31M never went into service since the program had been canceled in 1994 after the construction of 07 prototypes while another 03 prototypes were left unfinished since1992, when in fact the program were suspended due to lack of financial resources.

                                  Such fact about MiG-31M were that two prototypes (Blue 056 and 057) had been used in the development of the R-37 missile until 1998, in fact in the 90s those missiles were improved into version R-37M , whereas none R-77 missile (RVV-AE ) should have been tested by MiG-31M until 1998.

                                  The curious explanation for this fact would that: it will be the futility testing the R-77 with MiG-31M, once the only versions available from R-77 could not support the tactical conditions (flies under extended time in Mach 2) with MiG-31 (B/BS/M), as well as the R-77 would not be able to exploit the kinetic advantages (Mach 2.5 velocity and altitude of 20,000 m) from MiG-31 at the launch of the missiles, since the available version of the R-77 in the 90's will not withstand the thermal and mechanical stresses with such extended range by more than 50% due at the MiG-31.

                                  Just like it had been happened with the anti-radiation missile Kh-58 that equipped the former MiG-25BMs in the 80s, once it was necessary to develop a specific version of the Kh-58 to equip the MiG-25BM. The same principle has been applied with MiG 31, then to equip the MiG-31 with R-77 it has been necessary to develop a specific version of R-77 , other wise it would be necessary to limit the performance of MiG-31. Anyway, it were not possible in the 1990s to create this new version of the R-77 due to the lack of resources for this.

                                  The MiG-31BM program has been launching since1999 , it has been announced that MiG-31BM/BSM will be equipped with a specific version of R-77 (RVV-AE) and later the R 77-1 (RVV-SD), so it would be like 08 BRV missiles : 04 R-37M in the ventral support and up 04 R-77 in the wing pylons.

                                  Speculations could have been suggest a range of over 160 km for the R-77-1 with the MiG-31BM / BSM, or even up to 200 km, in this case only as comparative R-33 with SARH ( Semi active radar homing) has a range limited to 125 km.

                                  Another rumor that has been emerged few years later could indicate that the MiG-31BM will be equipped with a version of R-77-1 with folding fins, then 02 missiles R 77 could be transported in place of 01 R-33 or R-37M in the ventral supports, which could total Up to 08 R-77-1 instead of 04 R-37M. This supposed fordable version of the R 77-1 could have been proposed to decrease the aerodynamic drag while it has been mounted on the wing pylons from MiG 31 too, in this case the MiG 31BM could be equipped with up to 12 R-77-1, or a combination between : R-37M, R-77-1 and R-74 (short range WVR).

                                  However, the simple addition in tactical condition's from 02 R-77-1 with 04 R-37M should be formidable increasing about the capabilities of MiG-31BM / BSM while it has been compared to MiG-31B / BS with 04 R-33, once the R-77-1 does not decrease significantly the performance of MiG-31BM in the wing pylows.

                                  After reading the post from Berkut about the suppose MiG 31BM2 maybe another possibility instead of adding those supports for 02 R-37M (600 kg) with hydraulic actuators in the belly of the MiG 31BM / BSM, that same place could be used to carry 02 pylons more simple for the R 77-1 (175 kg) between the 04 R 37M , In this case we would have 06 BRV missiles (04 R-37M and 02 R-77-1) in the belly of the MiG 31BM, without even using the wing pylons.

                                  Anyway, I'm not sure if the MiG-31M had been used hydraulic actuators for those additional 02 R-37M in the center of the belly , this system has been necessary with the 04 semi-conformable supports of the R-33 from MiG-31B/BS/Dz as well with R-37 from MiG 31M, since those missiles can be launched at the Mach 2.5 velocity from MiG-31.

                                  If it is not necessary to install supports with hydraulic actuators to add 02 R-37M in the MiG-31BM / BMS, then it would more feasible once it make necessary only pylons in the center of the fuselage, although that each R-37M missile has been described with mass of 600 kg and this must be added with aerodynamic drag at speeds of Mach 2.5 from MiG-31.

                                  Interesting times that we are living in these days, just like it has been supremely interesting to observe the photos taken during the modernization of the MiG-31BM with apparent consent, still the information's about the MiG-31 has been remained as hazy as it were in the 80's.

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                                  • TR1
                                    TR1
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                                    • Oct 2010
                                    • 9826

                                    Bad couple of days for Yak-130s:

                                    Emergency landing after nose gear retraction failure:



                                    And another incident, unsure of details:





                                    New frame for Myanmar:

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                                    • TR1
                                      TR1
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                                      • Oct 2010
                                      • 9826

                                      Interesting filter effect:



                                      So looks like Belarus is getting 12 Su-30SMs over 3 years.
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                                      • WP840
                                        Whisky Papa
                                        • Feb 2006
                                        • 1964

                                        What is the frame over the front pilot's head inside the cockpit?
                                        If you're not living on the edge then you're taking up too much space!

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                                        • Berkut
                                          Senior Member
                                          • Nov 2011
                                          • 2216

                                          Interesting filter effect = literally cancer.

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