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  • JangBoGo
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    Anyone came across a translated version of the below episode?
    Have good visuals of IL-76 air frame testing and A-50.

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    • Deino
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      Originally posted by mfranjic View Post
      According to some reputable and well-known sources, ...

      Mario
      Is it really necessary to spice up Your posts with that much of advertisements, bolt and non-bolt parts ?? It's a mess to read and IMO completely unnecessary.
      ...

      He was my North, my South, my East and West,
      My working week and my Sunday rest,
      My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
      I thought that love would last forever; I was wrong.

      The stars are not wanted now; put out every one:
      Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun;
      Pour away the ocean and sweep up the woods:
      For nothing now can ever come to any good.
      -------------------------------------------------
      W.H.Auden (1945)

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      • MSphere
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        Aaah, let him.. it's a nice read, even if a bit more demanding..
        I am actually intrigued by the fact that the Al-31FM1/FM2 engines have larger fan diameters, compared to the standard Al-31F, (924mm vs. 905mm), which puts them almost to the Al-41F league (932mm).. From what I know, one cannot use an Al-41F with a classic Flanker with engine nacelles designed to adopt the Al-31F. But a direct upgrade from Al-31F to Al-31FM1/FM2 should be doable.. (?)

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        • haavarla
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          Originally posted by MSphere View Post
          Aaah, let him.. it's a nice read, even if a bit more demanding..
          I am actually intrigued by the fact that the Al-31FM1/FM2 engines have larger fan diameters, compared to the standard Al-31F, (924mm vs. 905mm), which puts them almost to the Al-41F league (932mm).. From what I know, one cannot use an Al-41F with a classic Flanker with engine nacelles designed to adopt the Al-31F. But a direct upgrade from Al-31F to Al-31FM1/FM2 should be doable.. (?)
          The FM1 has had the 924mm since day one.

          http://www.salut.ru/Section.php?SectionId=4

          It does not require any extension of airframe, imo it fits just fine on Flankers if any re-engine upgrade is to happen.
          The 932mm however..

          From what i've read the FM2 thrust output is 14.100kgf.
          Anyway, i have my doubts about VKS will procure FM2. The difference is too little from FM1, its not worth it.
          If and when the times come for a major engine upgrade on the growing Su-34 and newer Flanker fleet, the SATURN 117S engine will be the one.
          Last edited by haavarla; 30th March 2017, 09:10.
          Thanks

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          • TR1
            TR1
            http://tiny.cc/tp8kd

            I missed this, supposedly the mighty 77N6 tube!



            Likely a relative of the 9M82MV high altitude missile.
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            • MSphere
              Senior Member

              Originally posted by haavarla View Post
              The FM1 has had the 924mm since day one. It does not require any extension of airframe, imo it fits just fine on Flankers if any re-engine upgrade is to happen.
              The 932mm however..
              It just escaped me for some reason..

              Originally posted by haavarla View Post
              From what i've read the FM2 thrust output is 14.100kgf.
              Anyway, i have my doubts about VKS will procure FM2. The difference is too little from FM1, its not worth it.
              Could be.. especially if there is the much simplified FM3 in the works.

              Originally posted by haavarla View Post
              If and when the times come for a major engine upgrade on the growing Su-34 and newer Flanker fleet, the SATURN 117S engine will be the one.
              That does not make much sense since the 117S requires redesign of the nacelles.. On top of that, just like with Irkut, Russia needs to keep Salyut live and kicking..

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              • Berkut
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                Originally posted by TR1 View Post
                http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4116559

                Putin- MiG completed 101% of its assigned task, AA- 185%, Russian Helicopters- 327%.

                lol
                Must be alternative numbers and alternative statistics.

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                • haavarla
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                  Originally posted by MSphere View Post
                  It just escaped me for some reason..

                  Could be.. especially if there is the much simplified FM3 in the works.


                  That does not make much sense since the 117S requires redesign of the nacelles.. On top of that, just like with Irkut, Russia needs to keep Salyut live and kicking..
                  Both FM2 and FM3 is a development and paid by in house SALUT. FM2 might have a shot at export market(China etc). Perhaps one day we'll see the FM3 as well.

                  As for the 117S, it is in production. Its well matured by now. It might even have a little more thrust potential with its larger fans.
                  Pretty sure Sukhoi has found a way around fitting it on older Flankers without too costly fix.
                  Thanks

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                  • Sintra
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                    Originally posted by haavarla View Post
                    From what i've read the FM2 thrust output is 14.100kgf.
                    14500 kgf

                    From the manufacturer:
                    http://www.salut.ru/ViewTopic.php?Id=1459

                    Cheers
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                    • TR1
                      TR1
                      http://tiny.cc/tp8kd

                      http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2520739.html

                      Nice photos of the first two Ka-226 for FSB, meant for naval employment.
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                      • stealthflanker
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                        Originally posted by TR1 View Post
                        I missed this, supposedly the mighty 77N6 tube!



                        Likely a relative of the 9M82MV high altitude missile.
                        This thing is massive O-O

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                        • KGB
                          KGB
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                          Originally posted by TR1 View Post
                          http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2520739.html

                          Nice photos of the first two Ka-226 for FSB, meant for naval employment.
                          Thought FSB copies would be all black.

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                          • TR1
                            TR1
                            http://tiny.cc/tp8kd

                            Congrats to MiG, the Egyptian contact is on!



                            And interestingly it has the nacelle EW installations, like the MiG-35. As well as the MAWS, LWS....so basically very close if not identical to the "new" revealed MiG-35.
                            Last edited by TR1; 31st March 2017, 20:15.
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                            • stealthflanker
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                              Originally posted by TR1 View Post
                              Congrats to MiG, the Egyptian contact is on!



                              And interestingly it has the nacelle EW installations, like the MiG-35. As well as the MAWS, LWS....so basically very close if not identical to the "new" revealed MiG-35.
                              yaaaaaay... MiG 29M2 ? or MiG-35 ?

                              Can't really call it 35 yet ;w; as it seems to still have the Zhuk MSE.

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                              • TR1
                                TR1
                                http://tiny.cc/tp8kd

                                It is always referred to as MiG-29M2, which is correct, the only real nonsense is the identical "new MiG-35" being branded as such.
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                                • MSphere
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                                  To my knowledge, the designation MiG-29M2 has been cancelled to avoid confusion and now it's all just MiG-35..
                                  BTW, the radar is Zhuk-M2E.. MSE would be Flanker sized..

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                                  • stealthflanker
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                                    Originally posted by MSphere View Post
                                    To my knowledge, the designation MiG-29M2 has been cancelled to avoid confusion and now it's all just MiG-35..
                                    BTW, the radar is Zhuk-M2E.. MSE would be Flanker sized..
                                    yeah, you are correct :x the MiG-29 sized is Zhuk-ME and that M2E hahaha.

                                    MSE is flanker sized.

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                                    • TR1
                                      TR1
                                      http://tiny.cc/tp8kd

                                      In MiG and UAC releases they have mentioned MiG-29M2 as recently as last year though.

                                      Ka-52 in the mud


                                      Ka-52K
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                                      • TR1
                                        TR1
                                        http://tiny.cc/tp8kd

                                        Another shot:

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                                        • JangBoGo
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                                          Originally posted by MSphere View Post
                                          To my knowledge, the designation MiG-29M2 has been cancelled to avoid confusion and now it's all just MiG-35..
                                          BTW, the radar is Zhuk-M2E.. MSE would be Flanker sized..
                                          Good to see some new birds.
                                          Is it final that the radar is M2E? There was a rumor (?) earlier about the Egyptian MiG-29s to have a Zhuk-MSE based phased array radar unit.

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