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    Originally posted by Nicolas10 View Post
    Do we know what kind of missile that is? I would think it's the R77-1?

    Nic
    a bit weird to call a Amramski a medium range AAM. But as they still have the R-33M/R-37.. ok.
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      Originally posted by Nicolas10 View Post
      Do we know what kind of missile that is? I would think it's the R77-1?

      Nic
      Yes R-77-1
      "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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        Air Internation Flanker special issues Piotr states that R-74M2/RVV-MD is still not in production as Russians could not build the dual mode IR seeker yet which was made in Ukraine earlier , How true is this ?
        "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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          Originally posted by haavarla View Post
          a bit weird to call a Amramski a medium range AAM. But as they still have the R-33M/R-37.. ok.
          ...

          R-77-1 is also known as RVV-SD where S stands for "medium"...

          Also, a reminder;

          http://twower.livejournal.com/1764184.html

          So in then money it was 79 million USD contract for 2017 and now we know they are delivering 200 of the missiles this year. Meaning they are 396 000 USD each. In todays money it is is 480k each. Using the exchange rate as it was in 2015 seems they bought ~17 R-77-1's in 2015, ~265 in 2016 and 200 in 2017. But it could be more like 20/200/200 assuming the price has declined as production ramp has gone up. Hard to know exact of course, but this is a good ballpark.

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            It cannot be anything else than RVV-SD / Izd.170-1

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              Originally posted by haavarla View Post
              A Flanker is a Flanker. And that particular Flanker was build by former Russia.
              So who cares.
              Agree. But some ppl have to get their cheap shots in.

              Speaking of which.. No TR1, Russia does not use "mostly unguided weapons" This is just not true.
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                Originally posted by Berkut View Post
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                R-77-1 is also known as RVV-SD where S stands for "medium"...

                Also, a reminder;

                http://twower.livejournal.com/1764184.html

                So in then money it was 79 million USD contract for 2017 and now we know they are delivering 200 of the missiles this year. Meaning they are 396 000 USD each. In todays money it is is 480k each. Using the exchange rate as it was in 2015 seems they bought ~17 R-77-1's in 2015, ~265 in 2016 and 200 in 2017. But it could be more like 20/200/200 assuming the price has declined as production ramp has gone up. Hard to know exact of course, but this is a good ballpark.


                2:40, R-77 production @ Vympel.
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                  Originally posted by TR1 View Post

                  2:40, R-77 production @ Vympel.
                  Is there some sort of spring release on those adaptors?
                  Or perhaps some gass release..
                  Thanks

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                    Myanmar MiG-29 Upgrade Revealed: Will Malaysia Follow?
                    by Vladimir Karnozov
                    - March 28, 2017, 9:17 AM

                    http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-ne...alaysia-follow
                    Ten MiG-29 fighters belonging to the Myanmar air force have been upgraded at RAC MiG facilities near Moscow, a source in the Russian delegation at the Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace (LIMA) 2017 show in Malaysia last week told AIN. Moscow is now offering similar upgrades to Malaysia, which acquired 18 in 1994, and to Bangladesh, which procured 10 MiG-29s at the turn of the century.

                    The upgrade solution for Myanmar is referred to as MiG-29SM (mod.). It is believed to be a low-cost version compared to the more expensive MiG-29UPG that India has been doing, and which is broadly similar to the Russian air force MiG-29SMT. Details about the MiG-29SM (mod.) are yet to emerge, but it apparently keeps the original N-019E radar, albeit with some technology insertions and part replacements.

                    Among other things, a cross-fleet upgrade would bring the Myanmar aircraft to a single standard. In 2001 that country signed for 10 MiG-29 single-seat fighters and two MiG-29UB operational trainers. In December 2009, Myanmar awarded RAC MiG a follow-on order for 10 more MiG-29s (“Fulcrum-B”) plus six more advanced MiG-29SEs and four operational trainers. Shipments under the second order took place in late 2011-early 2012, with the last pair of two-seaters arriving in March 2013. This brought the Myanmar Fulcrum fleet to 32 aircraft. RAC MiG’s offer was to upgrade the whole fleet of single-seaters to a common standard.

                    The Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) ordered 16 MiG-29N and two MiG-29UB-N aircraft in 1994 and received them in 1995-1996. The “N” version was a customized RMAF variant, with mid-air refueling capability (taking fuel from specially converted C-130 Hercules transports), and the ability to fire two RVV-AE radar-guided missiles (export version of the Vympel R-77) at two aerial targets simultaneously. After the loss of two MiGs in incidents in 1998 and 2004, the RMAF possesses 14 airframes, of which 10 are believed to remain operational with No. 17 Squadron at Kuantan AFB. Since 2010, the RMAF has said several times that it would withdraw the MiG-29s from service, but they continue flying.

                    At LIMA2015, RAC MiG and its local partner ATSC proposed to the Malaysian Ministry of Defence an upgrade to the MiG-29NM standard. This would have been similar to the Indian air force MiG-29UPG, involving the replacement of the N-019E radar with more advanced Zhuk-ME (model FGM-229). The upgrade would also have enabled the MiGs to carry the same guided and unguided munitions as the RMAF’s Su-30MKMs.

                    But members of the Russian delegation at LIMA told AIN that Malaysia refused this rather costly modernization, forcing RAC MiG to come up with a less expensive option modeled on the Myanmar upgrade. Earlier this year, RAC MiG brought in a MiG-29SM (mod.) full-flight simulator to a base in Malaysia for technology demonstration purposes.

                    RAC MiG continues working with local companies involved in MiG-29N maintenance and support. As such, ATSC has gained access to the RMAF airframes and produced a fleet report. It describes the surviving hardware as remaining in good condition, making lifetime extensions and upgrade options viable. Few airframes have exceeded 2,000 flight hours, and their maker has offered a lifetime extension to 6,000 hours and 40 calendar years.

                    Speaking to AIN at LIMA2017, RMAF chief Gen. Affendi bin Buang said that although the MiGs are still operational, their age causes “a gap in capability.” Advancements in technologies, especially sensor fusion and weaponry, force RMAF to consider options available for future MiG-29 operations. The basic aircraft is sturdy and robust, he said, “but there are certain systems in the MiG-29 that we wish to replace or upgrade in order to enhance the aircraft’s operational capacity.”

                    “At the moment we are still awaiting a government decision whether to continue the operation of the MiG-29 or to stop it,” Affendi continued. He has been briefed by his counterparts from India and Myanmar on what they have done to their MiGs. “In my view, the additional capability that [RAC MiG] is putting into these aircraft during their update is quite impressive. This make me feel confident that these aging but still maintainable aircraft have some life in the future.”
                    "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                      Originally posted by haavarla View Post
                      Is there some sort of spring release on those adaptors? Or perhaps some gass release..
                      Pyrotechnical, apparently (you can see the residue smoke).

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                        Russian Knights Su-30SM jets at Langkawi Airshow 17

                        "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                          Ten MiG-29 fighters belonging to the Myanmar air force have been upgraded at RAC MiG facilities near Moscow, a source in the Russian delegation at the Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace (LIMA) 2017 show in Malaysia last week told AIN. Moscow is now offering similar upgrades to Malaysia, which acquired 18 in 1994, and to Bangladesh, which procured 10 MiG-29s at the turn of the century.
                          Interesting, perhaps the upgrade is similar to Peru's, which also kept original radar.
                          History and Military Technology blog

                          alejandro-8en.blogspot.com

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                            Originally posted by a89 View Post
                            Interesting, perhaps the upgrade is similar to Peru's, which also kept original radar.
                            Peruvian MiG-29SMPs have N019M1 radar.. It's basically a FGM-129 Zhuk-ME, but with Cassegrain antenna and transmitter kept from the original N019.
                            On this scheme you can see all the replaced parts..

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                              Originally posted by Dr.Snufflebug View Post
                              The last two brand new Chengdu J-7 trainers took to the skies last week over in China. That marks the end of MiG-21 production history, 1956-2017.
                              Hmm, I didn't know trainer variants were still being built.
                              JL-9 is still in production, and it is basically MiG-21 with a new nose. So the legacy goes on...

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                                Originally posted by RpR View Post
                                Do not the T-50 and other various Sukhoi have to perform tasks, with a war with China being greater thought than the U.S., have to perform more like the old F-105 & F-106?
                                Both having long range but one having the ability to exit target area at very high speed and the other the ability to reach targets at a very high speed.

                                For intercepts, the T-50 within Russia, will always have emergency landing bases or tankers available should reaching bingo fuel be necessary on a mission, while other Sukhoi tactical aircraft can deliver weapons and due to longer range boogey home catching a tanker or emergency base if need be.
                                With this in mind, high speed whether chasing a target or clearing target area is very , very important.
                                Exactly and Berkut is foolishly ignoring obvious design features of T-50 that make it much less drag and faster than F-22 in supercruise and max speed. Russia is large with lots of area so T-50 need lot of speed to get to the fight.

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                                  Peruvian MiG-29SMPs have N019M1 radar.. It's basically a FGM-129 Zhuk-ME, but with Cassegrain antenna and transmitter kept from the original N019.
                                  On this scheme you can see all the replaced parts..
                                  Thanks MSphere. Could you comment on how this upgrade compares with simply installing a Zhuk-ME? is it worth to keep the N019 components?
                                  History and Military Technology blog

                                  alejandro-8en.blogspot.com

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                                    Originally posted by Isengard View Post
                                    Exactly and Berkut is foolishly ignoring obvious design features of T-50 that make it much less drag and faster than F-22 in supercruise and max speed. Russia is large with lots of area so T-50 need lot of speed to get to the fight.
                                    As has been stated many many times previously.. There is a limit to the termal heat signature on PakFa skin.
                                    If you fly over Mach 2 for a long duration of time, the RAM coating will take damage.

                                    And looking on how expensive and servicebility the F-22 fared the first 6-8 years of its service, much of it was linked to the RAM coating.
                                    Thanks

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                                      Originally posted by a89 View Post
                                      Thanks MSphere. Could you comment on how this upgrade compares with simply installing a Zhuk-ME? is it worth to keep the N019 components?
                                      That depends on your pockets. Originally, the N019MP has been touted for the low-cost MiG-29SM upgrades but the related hardware like Baguet type processors slowly became unobtainable, so the guts have been replaced by the off-the-shelf hardware already having been developed for the Zhuk-M.

                                      Both radars have practically the same improvements, incl. advanced A-G functions like terrain mapping, terrain following, TWS with continuous volume search, different close combat A-A modes, raid assessment, target class recognition, real beam A-G, DBS, SAR with 5m resolution and moving target detection. Both have 10 targets tracked and 4 targets engaged simultaneously.. The slotted version shall feature slightly increased range, expect 120 km detection and 100 km tracking for the slotted array and 100-105 km detection and 90 km tracking for the Cassegrain.

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                                        According to some reputable and well-known sources, VVS RF (Russian Air Force) should receive a certain number of a new Sukhoi aircraft in 2017, and that:
                                        -10 aircraft KnAAZ - Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Plant (ПАО "Компания "Сухой" "КнААЗ им. Ю.А. Гагарина") produced Sukhoi Su-35S, powered by two Saturn AL-41F-1S (изд. 117C), twin-shaft, TVC, afterburning turbofans (fan diameter: 36,7 in / 932,0 mm; BPR: 0,65:1; engine architecture: 4F–9HPC1HPT–1LPT), OPR: 23,10:1, each rated at 86,30 kN / 8.800 kgf / 19.401 lbf dry and 142,20 kN / 14.500 kgf / 31.967 lbf with the afterburner,
                                        -17 aircraft IAPO - Irkutsk Aircraft Production Assocaition (ПАО "Корпорация "Иркут") produced Sukhoi Su-30SM, powered by two Saturn AL-31FP (изд. 96), twin-shaft, TVC, afterburning turbofans (fan diameter: 35,6 in / 905,0 mm; BPR: 0,56:1; engine architecture: 4F–9HPC1HPT–1LPT), OPR: 22,87:1, each rated at 74,56 kN / 7.600 kgf / 16.756 lbf dry and 122,62 kN / 12.500 kgf / 27.558 lbf with the afterburner and
                                        -16 aircraft NAPO - Novosibirsk Aircraft Production Association "V.P. Chkalov" ("НАЗ" "Новосибирский авиационный завод им. В.П. Чкалова") produced Sukhoi Su-34, powered by two Salyut AL-31F M1 (изд. 99M1), twin-shaft, afterburning, turbofans (fan diameter: 36,4 in / 924,0 mm; BPR: 0,61:1; engine architecture: 4F–9HPC1HPT–1LPT), OPR: 24,00:1, each rated at 80,90 kN / 8.250 kgf / 18.188 lbf dry and 132,40 kN / 13.500 kgf / 29.762 lbf with the afterburner.

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                                        Once the PAK FA / T-50 / Изделие 701 become fully operational with the new Изделие 30 (Type 30) engines, I see no reason why the group of the engines of the lower, but superb, performances, Saturn AL-41F-1S (изд. 117C) and Salyut AL-31F M2 (изд. 99M2/99СМ), could not be amended with those engines that currently represent the top Russian technology in the construction of the military aircraft engines, AL-41F-1 (изд. 117) and Salyut AL-31F M3 (изд. 99M3) and, as such, find their applications, not only on some Russian fighter jets, like Su-30SM, Su-33, Su-34 and Su-35S, but also on those export versions of the Su-27 and Su-30 aircraft, not only as the part of the future newly-supplied aircraft but also as the part of the existing aircraft's upgrade. So far, all the versions of Sukhoi Su-30 aircraft, as those export so and those Russian Su-30SMs, have been powered by the Saturn AL-31F either Saturn AL-31FP TVC turbofans. I wonder if there is any special reason why all the above mentioned engines could not become a great and highly profitable export products as the propulsion units for the future or those already existing Chinese J-11/16/15 (Su-27/30/33), Su-35SK, Su-30MKK and Su-30MK2 aircraft, Indian Su-30MKIs... I am aware of the fact it does not depend only on engines'manufacturers alone (their interest is, of course, to sell as much as they can produce) but on the decision brought by the Russian Federation's President, Prime Minister, Federation Council, State Duma and Russian Ministry of Defense, but here we talk about the contracts of a very high value and of a high national interest. Once, for example, when China, extremly large market for the Russian aviation industry, become capable of designing and producing their own engines, that huge market for the Russian factories will start disappearing, so it is better to use the opportunity while it's there because later on it might be just too late. Saturn AL-41F-1S, proven, and Salyut AL-31F M2, probably, are already in China. In a several years, once the Izdeliye 30 become operational, Saturn AL-41F-1 (изд. 117) and Salyut AL-31F M3 (изд. 99M3) engines could find their way to China, the same way as will Saturn AL-41F-1S (изд. 117C) find its way to India for their Sukhoi Su-30MKIs…

                                        For example; the Salyut AL-31F M2 (изд. 99M2/99СМ), twin-shaft, TVC, afterburning turbofan (fan diameter: 924,0 mm / 36,4 in; BPR: 0,61:1; engine architecture: 4F–9HPC1HPT–1LPT), OPR: 26,09:1, rated at 142,20 kN / 14.500 kgf / 31.967 lbf on the afterburner, could be a low-cost option for the remotorization of Su-27, Su-30 and Su-34 fleet now operated by the Russian military and is likewise deliverable to the foreign customers. The technical specifications and requirements of Su-27SM and Su-34 aircraft, currently powered by Salyut AL-31F M1 (АЛ-31Ф серии 42/изд. 99M1), twin-shaft, afterburning turbofan (fan diameter: 924,0 mm / 36,4 in; BPR: 0,61:1; engine architecture: 4F–9HPC1HPT–1LPT), OPR: 24,00:1, rated at 132,40 kN / 13.500 kgf / 29.762 lbf on the afterburner, call for the engines with the increased thrust and improved fuel consumption, with the Salyut AL-31F M2 fulfilling these needs. The installation can be performed without any rework of the aircraft and could take place in the field conditions. My personal opinion is that this engine is quite comparable and on a par with the Saturn AL-41F-1S, recently used on RuAF's Sukhoi Su-35S and PLAAF's Sukhoi Su-35SK aircraft.

                                        The 117S twin-shaft turbofan engine (fan diameter: 932,0 mm / 36,7 in; BPR: 0,65:1; engine architecture: 4F–9HPC1HPT–1LPT), OPR: 23,10:1, originally known as the AL-37FU, now being marketed under the designation AL-41F-1S, is one of the most sophisticated and powerful variant of the AL-31F (изд. 99В) engine produced to date. It features 86,30 kN / 8.800 kgf / 19.401 lbf of dry thrust, 142,20 kN / 14.500 kgf / 31.967 lbf with the afterburner, Thrust Vector Control (TVC) system for the enhanced aircraft maneuverability, similar to that of the Saturn AL-31FP (изд. 96) engine. The Saturn 117S turbofan engine introduces a wider fan (932 mm compared with 905 mm in AL-31F), advanced low- and high-pressure turbines, and all new digital control system (FADEC). The service life of the 117S engine is 4.000 flight hours with the time between overhauls (TBO) increasing by 2 x to 1.000 flight hours compared with AL-31F service life of 1.500 flight hours and TBO of 500 hours. The new engine time for the first overhaul is 1.500 flight hours. NPO Saturn built five prototype engines, with the first engine entering the test program in March 2004. The engine development was funded by Sukhoi (40%), NPO Saturn (30%) and UMPO (30%). The first production 117S engine was shipped to KnAAPO (now KnAAZ) in early 2007 to undergo flight tests, powering the first Sukhoi Su-35BM prototype. The engine is produced by .
                                        I am especially interested in the future of the AL-31F M3 (изд. 99M3), twin-shaft, TVC, afterburning turbofan (fan diameter: 924,0 mm / 36,4 in; BPR: 0,61:1; engine architecture: 3F–6HPC1HPT–1LPT), OPR: 27,72:1, rated at 150,04 kN / 15.300 kgf / 33.731 lbf on the afterburner, the engine that was competing with Saturn AL-41F-1 (изд. 117) for the propulsion of the Sukhoi PAK FA / T-50 aircraft. Unlike the basic Saturn AL-31F (изд. 99В) engine and all its derivates produced by both Saturn and Salyut, including the latest Saturn AL-41F-1S (изд. 117C) and Saturn AL-41F-1 (изд. 117) engines, and that were designed on the 4F–9HPC1HPT–1LPT engine architecture, the Salyut AL-31F M3 engine was designed on the 3F–6HPC1HPT–1LPT architecture, with an all new 3-stage KND 924-3 fan/LP compressor and 6-stage HP compressor as and a new KLIVT thrust vector nozzles (also used on the MiG-29 derivatives: MiG-29M OVT - TVC demonstrator and recently presented MiG-35). Actually, the architecture of the new Izdeliye 30 engine, 3F–5HPC1HPT–1LPT, in a much greater extent resembles the one of the Salyut AL-31F M3 engine, 3F–6HPC1HPT–1LPT, than the engine architecture of the basic AL-31F engine and all its derivatives, 4F–9HPC1HPT–1LPT, regardless of whether they were designed by NPO Saturn or MMPP Salyut.

                                        In the comparison with the NPO Saturn, the company MMPP Salyut was receiving somehow smaller part of the cake on the Russian market with their AL-31F M1 engine that found its place on the Russian Su-27SM, Su-33M and Su-34 aircraft, but was recording notable successes on the Chinese market with the custom-made engine on which the engine's and aircraft's accessory gearboxes were mounted beneath, and aimed for the Chinese CAC J-10 lightweight multirole fighter aircraft, where the J-10A was powered by AL-31FN (изд. 39) twin-shaft, afterburning turbofans (fan diameter: 905,0 mm / 35,6 in; BPR: 0,56:1; engine architecture: 4F–9HPC1HPT–1LPT), OPR: 22,87:1, rated at 114,74 kN / 11.700 kgf / 25.794 lbf on the afterburner, and those later models of the aircraft, J-10B/C, by AL-31FN series 3 engine, rated at 122,58 kN / 12.500 kgf / 27.558 lbf on the afterburner. Salyut also offers AL-31FN M1 (изд. 39M1), twin-shaft, afterburning, turbofan engine (fan diameter: 924,0 mm / 36,4 in; BPR: 0,61:1; engine architecture: 4F–9HPC1HPT–1LPT), OPR: 24,00:1, with the new KND 924-4 fan/LP compressor (FPR: 3,68), rated at 132,39 kN / 13.500 kgf / 29.762 lbf on the afterburner. This is, very probably, custom-made version of the already known and above mentioned Salyut AL-31F M1 (АЛ-31Ф серии 42/изд. 99M1) twin-shaft TVC afterburning turbofan engine, but with the engine's and aircraft's accessory gearboxes mounted beneath, the same way as on the Salyut AL-31FN (изд. 39) engine and its sub-series. To my knowledge, China was receiving, so far, the engines with the conventional nozzles only. The current version of the Salyut AL-31FN engine with TVC has a thrust of 124,54 kN / 12.700 kgf / 28.000 lbf on the afterburner…

                                        Since the Salyut has been Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group's preferred engines'supplier, it should not be a complete surprise if the custom-made engine model Salyut AL-31F/FN M2, twin-shaft, TVC, afterburning turbofan (fan diameter: 924,0 mm / 36,4 in; BPR: 0,61:1; engine architecture: 4F–9HPC1HPT–1LPT), OPR: 26,09:1, rated at 142,20 kN / 14.500 kgf / 31.967 lbf, indeed is Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group J-20's current powerplant, before than the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation WS-10B or WS-10G/IPE engine which design was based on the CFM56-7 engine's core, and all until the appearance of the long-awaited and frequently mentioned SAC WS-15 (manufactured by Xi'an Aero-Engine Company) engine.

                                        One thing is sure; every Russian (military) aircraft's engine factory with such a great potential as undoubtedly are JSC NPO "Saturn" (ПАО "НПО "Сатурн"), "MMPP "SALUT" ("ММПП "Салют"), JSC "Klimov" (АО "Климов"), JSC "Kuznetsov" (ПАО "Кузнецов"), JSC "UEC-Aviadvigatel" (АО "ОДК-Авиадвигатель") and AESTC "Soyuz" (ОАО АМНТК "Союз"), backed by a huge financial resources that may come from a very rich source, such as China, is able to develop its program far easier and faster, but a lot of that depends on the way how are the policy and national interest involved in the whole story. One of the key things in making some decisions is certainly the fact that such a rapidly growing and evolving China may pose a threat to everyone.

                                        Interesting time ahead of us, but unfortunately and very unsafe …

                                        Mario
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                                          http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4116559

                                          Putin- MiG completed 101% of its assigned task, AA- 185%, Russian Helicopters- 327%.

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