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  • KGB
    KGB
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2016
    • 1426

    Originally posted by Scar View Post
    It's already obvious that you don't see anything. Neither recession in the previous two years, nor stagnation now. I remember such people as you, right before USSR died - they too didn't see what's coming...poor idiots.
    Why do people insist on bringing up the Russian economy when they know so little about the subject..

    The entire world economy is stagnating. Recession is a subjective term. (2 quarters of negative GDP growth) But Russia's recession has no baring on its comparative health to any other economy. Russia had a business cycle recession. Nothing is more healthy and necessary for a capitalist economy than a business cycle recession.

    Despite Russia's business cycle recession, it still is the lowest debt country in the G20. It still is a net exporter with no net debt. It still has tons of forex and gold.

    Canada on the other hand, had no recession at all. But guess what.. Canada is a trade deficit country and one of the most indebted governments and public in the western world. Canada has no gold and almost no army.

    so whos better off ?

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    • JSR
      JSR
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      • Aug 2011
      • 4977

      Canada is uncompetitive medium skilled economy . it has to wait for thirld world malaysia to build export energy terminal. also practically 100% depended on selling houses to foreigners. Canada is totally out from Arctic. you willl never hear mass layoffs at Sukhoi or UAC while 90% import depended Bombardier shedding skilled workforce every where. the comparision is a joke.

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      • TR1
        TR1
        http://tiny.cc/tp8kd
        • Oct 2010
        • 9821



        Ka-52.

        Shoigu visited NAPO. I am glad to see they got rid of the cracked floors.









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        • TR1
          TR1
          http://tiny.cc/tp8kd
          • Oct 2010
          • 9821

          Interesting photos- the titanium armor of the Su-34 cockpit:























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          • haavarla
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Dec 2008
            • 6699

            Thx for pics TR1.

            Is this the wing spar?
            Wow! That is massive!

            What was the max wing loading on Hellduck?

            I guess it could also be airframe parts for airliners.
            As i've read that NAPO does produce some parts for SSJ.
            Last edited by haavarla; 22nd March 2017, 07:24.
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            • paralay
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              • Aug 2005
              • 1411

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              • haavarla
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                • Dec 2008
                • 6699

                Originally posted by paralay View Post
                [ATTACH=CONFIG]252047[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]252048[/ATTACH]

                At the end;
                Ooooh bliett!

                Was this an Instructor and Kadett flight?
                Last edited by haavarla; 22nd March 2017, 17:34.
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                • RpR
                  RpR
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Jan 2013
                  • 1128

                  Originally posted by Berkut View Post
                  Because it was stated by the former VVS chief it will be doing Mach 2.0 tops, because composites on it are not able to handle F-22 like speeds/temperatures ("It will do 1600mph") and because Flateric has said so many times. Even if T-50 is magically able to match Su-27 speed, that still puts it below F-22. And T-50 with izd.117's is certainly slower at supercruise than F-22 with its Mach 1.7-1.78 SC. With izd.30, we shall see.

                  Lastly T-50 just doesnt need to have higher speed than F-22, SC or top speed. It does need to have larger range though, both at sc and subsonic. And we know for a fact it does have larger range than F-22.
                  Do not the T-50 and other various Sukhoi have to perform tasks, with a war with China being greater thought than the U.S., have to perform more like the old F-105 & F-106?
                  Both having long range but one having the ability to exit target area at very high speed and the other the ability to reach targets at a very high speed.

                  For intercepts, the T-50 within Russia, will always have emergency landing bases or tankers available should reaching bingo fuel be necessary on a mission, while other Sukhoi tactical aircraft can deliver weapons and due to longer range boogey home catching a tanker or emergency base if need be.
                  With this in mind, high speed whether chasing a target or clearing target area is very , very important.

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                  • Trident
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • May 2004
                    • 3965

                    Originally posted by haavarla View Post
                    Thx for pics TR1.

                    Is this the wing spar?
                    Wow! That is massive!

                    What was the max wing loading on Hellduck?
                    H-stab mounting boom?

                    Originally posted by haavarla View Post
                    I guess it could also be airframe parts for airliners.
                    As i've read that NAPO does produce some parts for SSJ.
                    Yeah, they build the nose - which this isn't
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                    • TR1
                      TR1
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                      • Oct 2010
                      • 9821

                      Originally posted by RpR View Post
                      Do not the T-50 and other various Sukhoi have to perform tasks, with a war with China being greater thought than the U.S.,
                      US is vastly, vastly more the "Likely Opponent" in Russian mil/political circles right now.
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                      • KGB
                        KGB
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2016
                        • 1426

                        Originally posted by JSR View Post
                        Canada is uncompetitive medium skilled economy . it has to wait for thirld world malaysia to build export energy terminal. also practically 100% depended on selling houses to foreigners. Canada is totally out from Arctic. you willl never hear mass layoffs at Sukhoi or UAC while 90% import depended Bombardier shedding skilled workforce every where. the comparision is a joke.
                        JSR. I am saying that Russia's economy is in far better shape than Canada's despite Russia having a business cycle recession. There is nothing good about the Canadian economy.

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                        • Sintra
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Aug 2007
                          • 3849

                          Originally posted by KGB View Post
                          Why do people insist on bringing up the Russian economy when they know so little about the subject..

                          The entire world economy is stagnating. Recession is a subjective term. (2 quarters of negative GDP growth) But Russia's recession has no baring on its comparative health to any other economy. Russia had a business cycle recession. Nothing is more healthy and necessary for a capitalist economy than a business cycle recession.

                          Despite Russia's business cycle recession, it still is the lowest debt country in the G20. It still is a net exporter with no net debt. It still has tons of forex and gold.

                          Canada on the other hand, had no recession at all. But guess what.. Canada is a trade deficit country and one of the most indebted governments and public in the western world. Canada has no gold and almost no army.

                          so whos better off ?
                          Canada, and that should be an obvious answer.
                          Unless the metric used has absolutely no bearing on what should the main purpose of a state economy, the well being of its population...
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                          • JSR
                            JSR
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                            • Aug 2011
                            • 4977

                            Originally posted by KGB View Post
                            JSR. I am saying that Russia's economy is in far better shape than Canada's despite Russia having a business cycle recession. There is nothing good about the Canadian economy.
                            Canada does not have economy so there is nothing to compare. Canadian have practically lost all skills to built stuff except for assembly line work. They are now closer to hand out distribution economics of Saudi Arabia. Plus Canadian political system is always under pressure from different minority groups like Ukranians and Chinese that led to even further stupid decisions.

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                            • halloweene
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                              • Jan 2012
                              • 4351

                              Originally posted by JSR View Post
                              Canada does not have economy so there is nothing to compare. Canadian have practically lost all skills to built stuff except for assembly line work. They are now closer to hand out distribution economics of Saudi Arabia. Plus Canadian political system is always under pressure from different minority groups like Ukranians and Chinese that led to even further stupid decisions.
                              Compare average lifestyle of canadian and russian? And THINK!

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                              • TR1
                                TR1
                                http://tiny.cc/tp8kd
                                • Oct 2010
                                • 9821

                                Hey could ya'll take your extremely interesting conversation about economics and quality of life to an appropriate place? This thread if for the VKS.

                                Or, you know, wisen up and don't pollute the thread by responding to JSR.
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                                • RpR
                                  RpR
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Jan 2013
                                  • 1128

                                  Originally posted by TR1 View Post
                                  US is vastly, vastly more the "Likely Opponent" in Russian mil/political circles right now.
                                  Well the U.S. and Russia going to war over Europe, the chances are half way between none and next to none.

                                  War in the mid-far East between Muslims and the West would be the only way they could be facing each other.
                                  In such a war China, as they have their own border problem with Muslims and their own population of said same, would have to pick sides.
                                  I do not see them choosing the side of the Muslims. While they would not side with the U.S. it would still put their relations with Russia in a rather precarious state.
                                  Regardless of Turkey being a NATO member, hell will freeze before the U.S. would get involved in a war there.

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                                  • MSphere
                                    Senior Member
                                    • Feb 2010
                                    • 8983

                                    Originally posted by halloweene View Post
                                    Compare average lifestyle of canadian and russian? And THINK!
                                    I don't think there is anything like "average Russian".. the country's income is very inequal and resembles United States while Canada is European-like in that regard.

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                                    • FBW
                                      FBW
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Dec 2011
                                      • 3295

                                      Originally posted by TR1 View Post
                                      US is vastly, vastly more the "Likely Opponent" in Russian mil/political circles right now.
                                      Let's hope that that means in war gaming and the opfor in training.

                                      Rhetoric is dangerous on both sides. Sometimes I wonder if the lessons of the Cold War have been forgotten.

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                                      • FBW
                                        FBW
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Dec 2011
                                        • 3295

                                        Originally posted by MSphere View Post
                                        I don't think there is anything like "average Russian".. the country's income is very inequal and resembles United States while Canada is European-like in that regard.
                                        Income equality or wealth equality? The U.S. has a serious wealth gap post 2008 recession as a combination of ineffective tax laws for accumulated wealth (real estate, capital gains), and increased savings as a result of post-recession investment jitters.

                                        Income inequality in the U.S. is odd: pre-tax we have lower inequality than France, UK, etc. post-tax we have one of the highest in the world. Welcome to the wonderful world of the Byzantine tax laws of the U.S.

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                                        • JSR
                                          JSR
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • Aug 2011
                                          • 4977

                                          Originally posted by MSphere View Post
                                          I don't think there is anything like "average Russian".. the country's income is very inequal and resembles United States while Canada is European-like in that regard.
                                          sure alll those Russian dont have disposable income.
                                          http://www.thenational.ae/business/t...ourism-numbers

                                          the fact is Russia extremely rich with superior education system thats why they can spend unlimited amount on r&d and procurement. have you look at size of military exercise recently. 500 missiles tests in one exercise and several thousands troops in another . they dont do things on small scale. The size of fighters, tanks, rocket artellery is getting bigger and more complex and so is fuel tanks and logistics. to operate these complex systems in net centric battle space the quality of personal has to increase to much higher level. Canada is going backwards in every aspects that even
                                          Chinese will dump them.
                                          http://rbth.com/business/2017/03/20/...-russia-723111

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