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  • TomcatViP
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    • Nov 2011
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    Well, this is a Saab thread.

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    • halloweene
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      • Jan 2012
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      Originally posted by TomcatViP View Post
      Well, this is a Saab thread.
      Indeed. So why did you derail it?

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      • Spitfire9
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        • Jul 2008
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        Bulgaria reveals why it might stop talks to buy F-16 fighter jets

        If they fall out with LM over the cost, Gripen E seems the obvious alternative.

        https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019...-fighter-jets/
        Sum ergo cogito

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        • TomcatViP
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          • Nov 2011
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          If they can get some new Typhoon at an even lower price (F-16-70), there is no doubt that they should go for that option... And add a performance contract.

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          • Spitfire9
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            • Jul 2008
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            Originally posted by TomcatViP View Post
            If they can get some new Typhoon at an even lower price (F-16-70), there is no doubt that they should go for that option... And add a performance contract.
            I hear that Typhoon is very expensive to operate (via this site and others). I think that Austria has decided they are too costly and would like to buy an alternative. From the FT

            The countrys 15 Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft would be taken out of service from 2020, the defence ministry in Vienna said on Friday. It blamed spiralling costs...
            Article requires subscription.

            Come to think of it Austria flew Drakens before Typhoons so Austria will know whether SAAB was a good supplier and if so may be in the market for Gripens.
            Last edited by Spitfire9; 17th May 2019, 19:07.
            Sum ergo cogito

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            • TomcatViP
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              • Nov 2011
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              Originally posted by Spitfire9 View Post

              I hear that Typhoon is very expensive to operate (via this site and others).
              This is why i suggested to back any offer with a performance contract, something that will guarantee that the plane will be available operationally X time a year at a given price.

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              • Spitfire9
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                • Jul 2008
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                Originally posted by TomcatViP View Post
                This is why i suggested to back any offer with a performance contract, something that will guarantee that the plane will be available operationally X time a year at a given price.
                Sure, if only Eurofighter can do that at a competitive rate.
                Sum ergo cogito

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                • Agrippa
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                  • Feb 2013
                  • 49

                  Some details regarding Gripen E's new EW-suite, at the end of the file: https://mags.shephardmedia.com/Show%..._p01-16_v2.pdf

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                  • halloweene
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                    • Jan 2012
                    • 4310

                    Mats Hegelsson will present the new trianing system the 16th of june in Paris. Will give you further details if i can attend.

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                    • Spitfire9
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                      • Jul 2008
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                      SAAB offers Canada local production of Gripen E if ordered

                      https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...ters-t-458574/
                      Sum ergo cogito

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                      • Spitfire9
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                        • Jul 2008
                        • 2807

                        Hungary May Scrap Swedish Jet Deal for US F-35 Over War of Words - Report

                        Hungary is considering scrapping its lease agreement for Jas 39 Gripen and replacing the 14 Swedish fighter jets with US-made F-35, which may cost Sweden billions of kronor and thousands of job opportunities, the Swedish news outlet Fria Tider reported.

                        The bilateral lease agreement is now at stake over Sweden's "constant smear campaign" against the Hungarian government. Specifically, Hungary is considering replacing the lease agreement with a $1 billion deal with US firm Lockheed Martin. The choice is between the latest model of the F-16 or the fifth generation F-35.
                        http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...-_-report.html
                        Sum ergo cogito

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                        • Pants
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                          • May 2017
                          • 8

                          Originally posted by Spitfire9 View Post
                          Hungary May Scrap Swedish Jet Deal for US F-35 Over War of Words - Report



                          http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...-_-report.html
                          Should be noted that Fria Tider is a right wing extremist news source, might be true, but might also not be.

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                          • TomcatViP
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                            • Nov 2011
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                            thank you for the heads up. If true that would be quite a surprising news anyway... and perhaps in line with President Trump new policy to subsidize US made weapon for certain country in EU that are stuck with Russian harware.

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                            • APRichelieu
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                              • Mar 2016
                              • 148

                              The contract between Sweden and Hungary expires in 2026. It was extended in 2017, and includes an upgrade to the MS20 standard.
                              What happens after 2026 is of course totally open.

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                              • Spitfire9
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                                • Jul 2008
                                • 2807

                                Originally posted by APRichelieu View Post
                                The contract between Sweden and Hungary expires in 2026. It was extended in 2017, and includes an upgrade to the MS20 standard.
                                What happens after 2026 is of course totally open.
                                That would be the time to switch to F-35, wouldn't it, if Hungary wanted to.
                                Sum ergo cogito

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                                • Spitfire9
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                                  • Jul 2008
                                  • 2807

                                  Third Gripen E takes to the air

                                  SAAB expects to have 4 production aircraft flying by the end of 2019.

                                  https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...rcraft-458808/

                                  Sum ergo cogito

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                                  • Spitfire9
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                                    • Jul 2008
                                    • 2807

                                    Gripen E to give Swiss flight tests a miss

                                    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...a-miss-458883/

                                    That reduces the number of contenders by 1, doesn't it? Sounds a bit like a student saying he does not want to take an exam but wants to get better marks than the candidates who actually take the exam.
                                    Sum ergo cogito

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                                    • halloweene
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                                      • Jan 2012
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                                      It was on Armasuisse request that considered the platform not mature enough.

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                                      • Spitfire9
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Jul 2008
                                        • 2807

                                        Sorry. Yes. you are right. Not SAAB's decision but Armasuisse. Doesn't this mean Gripen E is out of contention unless it turns out to be the best option financially and the politicians go for that angle? That was what happened last time, I think.
                                        Sum ergo cogito

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                                        • halloweene
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                                          • Jan 2012
                                          • 4310

                                          No worries. Bern said that it was definitive because otherwise it would not be fair for other contenders. But as you say, any fighter purchase has a political side...

                                          https://www.vbs.admin.ch/de/verteidi...html#reifegrad

                                          Briefly, planes present versions are chosen by armasuisse. Any system must have at least a TRL7. Any further improvements can (or not) be selected by swiss
                                          Last edited by halloweene; 13th June 2019, 12:47.

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