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  • Spitfire9
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Jul 2008
    • 2747

    Swedish Air Force Gripen E's to be made entirely from new parts.

    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...ighter-454732/

    Sum ergo cogito

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    • topspeed
      Get on uppah !
      • Jan 2009
      • 2524

      New Gripen is also 6th generation fighter; https://hushkit.net/2018/05/12/6th-g...saab-gripen-e/
      If it looks good, it will fly good !
      -Bill Lear & Marcel Dassault


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      • FBW
        FBW
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Dec 2011
        • 3034

        6th generation..... courtesy of Bill Sweetman. He alone can label fighter generations. Facts not withstanding that there is no consensus among the various nations and services to what characteristics will define the next generation of fighters.

        Who needs that when you can just slap a label on a warmed over design from the 1980's with COTS (though current and modern) avionics, and software. Personally, I would view the titular "sixth generation fighter" as possessing next generation technology expanding the boundaries of what is possible today (and at low technology readiness levels), not the best of what is mature and available today.

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        • halloweene
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Jan 2012
          • 4004

          Absolutley right FBW. Only LM is allowed to use X GenTM denomination

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          • Spitfire9
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Jul 2008
            • 2747

            Saab Offers 64 Gripen to Finland

            http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...o-finland.html
            Sum ergo cogito

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            • halloweene
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Jan 2012
              • 4004

              Gripen has good chances there, thanks to sweden giving strategic depth. Can anyone here tell meto what degree Finland is integrated into NATO systems (i know it is not in NATO, but things like L-16 etc.?)

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              • topspeed
                Get on uppah !
                • Jan 2009
                • 2524

                Finland has received 5 companys deals to replace 65 Hornets.
                If it looks good, it will fly good !
                -Bill Lear & Marcel Dassault


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                • halloweene
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 4004

                  Yep. I guess this summer Arctic challenge exercise will be strongly looked at...

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                  • Yama
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Feb 2012
                    • 584

                    Originally posted by halloweene View Post
                    Gripen has good chances there, thanks to sweden giving strategic depth. Can anyone here tell meto what degree Finland is integrated into NATO systems (i know it is not in NATO, but things like L-16 etc.?)
                    Yes, Finns extensively use Link16 nowadays, and in MLU Hornets had the domestic datalink replaced with Link 16 (to chagrin of some...). Similar what Swedes did with Gripen A/B -> C/D.

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                    • Scooter
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Jan 2000
                      • 11831

                      Like the LCA (Tejas) the Gripen just arrived to late to the party. If, they had fully funded both and got them into service a good decade ago. The could have cut into F-16 sales big time. Yet, they took their time and were way to conservative in their development. Now they both missed the boat....
                      F-35 Lightning II

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                      • swerve
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Jun 2005
                        • 13592

                        Gripen has been in service for over 20 years. The first production aircraft was delivered to the RSwAF in 1993.
                        Juris praecepta sunt haec: honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere.
                        Justinian

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                        • Spitfire9
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 2747

                          Originally posted by swerve View Post
                          Gripen has been in service for over 20 years. The first production aircraft was delivered to the RSwAF in 1993.
                          Gripen is a light fighter. If you cannot stretch to the cost of operating a medium fighter, you cannot buy a medium fighter.IIn that situation f you need to retire your current fleet, you have 2 choices: 0 medium fighters or as many light fighters as you can afford.
                          Sum ergo cogito

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                          • topspeed
                            Get on uppah !
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 2524

                            What was achieved with the wider LG ?

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                            • djcross
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Jan 2000
                              • 5362

                              Originally posted by topspeed View Post
                              What was achieved with the wider LG ?
                              Improved turn over angle

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                              • topspeed
                                Get on uppah !
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 2524

                                Originally posted by djcross View Post

                                Improved turn over angle
                                Does the new arrangement make the supercruise better somehow ( note the bulges )?

                                https://newatlas.com/gripen-e-sound-barrier/51995/
                                If it looks good, it will fly good !
                                -Bill Lear & Marcel Dassault


                                http://max3fan.blogspot.com/

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                                • Fedaykin
                                  Fueled by Tea
                                  • Dec 2005
                                  • 5287

                                  So once Finland has satisfied the niceties of a procurement competition which block of F-35 do people think Finland will start taking deliveries from?
                                  Because sometimes in life we need a bit of fun

                                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXNAp3mKepc

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                                  • Spitfire9
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Jul 2008
                                    • 2747

                                    Gripen E has gone into serial production and is expected to enter SwAF service in 2021 rather than in 2023, as previously expected

                                    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...ets-sa-455831/

                                    SAAB seem to have a habit of doing what they said they were going to do or better, don't they? Congratulations (in advance) to them.

                                    I wonder when Brazil will order more. Talking to a SAAB representative at Farnborough last year, he was saying that SAAB was hopeful Sweden would be increasing the size of its order, too. They also have a good chance of picking up an order for 30 or more from Switzerland and the recent cancellation of second hand F-16's from Israel makes a Croatian order a possibility. I assume that pursuing selection in Canada is a waste of time but that selection by Finland remains a possibility.

                                    Order book might double in size in the next 2/3 years?
                                    Sum ergo cogito

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                                    • halloweene
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Jan 2012
                                      • 4004

                                      i do not know if SAAB or Rafale or whatever, but finnish market look much more open eyed than other recent ones.

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                                      • moon_light
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • May 2012
                                        • 932

                                        Do anyone have an overlap image of Gripen NG over F-16?

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                                        • topspeed
                                          Get on uppah !
                                          • Jan 2009
                                          • 2524

                                          Originally posted by moon_light View Post
                                          Do anyone have an overlap image of Gripen NG over F-16?
                                          I would like to see NG over C/D ( like here below enclosed F-2 and F-16 ); https://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...ld-deter-18660
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