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    Originally posted by Loke View Post
    Saab begins building structures plant for Gripen in Brazil:

    https://www.defensenews.com/intervie...t-regulations/
    Wrong link. You want
    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...pen-in-448475/

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      Ooops, thanks for the correction.

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        Amazing, Saab seems to keep Gripen E in the competition in Canada.
        Saab Group is confident that its single-engine Gripen E remains a viable contender for Canadas next generation fighter aircraft fleet, even though there are currently no immediate plans for Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) pilots to actually fly the aircraft.
        https://www.skiesmag.com/news/saab-p...ation-fighter/

        Canada is not just a NATO country it is also F-35 partner!

        The probability of Canada buying non-US fighter is 0.0. The probability of Canada not buying F-35 is also 0.0.

        Oh well I guess there might be some PR effect of staying in the race?? Or are they gambling that the Canadian politicians are so upset with Boeing, Trump, LM and whatnot and therefore go for a non-US platform in spite of being an F-35 partner?

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          Annual Gripen seminar:

          http://saab-seminar.creo.se/180516/a...n_seminar_2018

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            Canada is not just a NATO country it is also F-35 partner!

            The probability of Canada buying non-US fighter is 0.0. The probability of Canada not buying F-35 is also 0.0.

            Oh well I guess there might be some PR effect of staying in the race?? Or are they gambling that the Canadian politicians are so upset with Boeing, Trump, LM and whatnot and therefore go for a non-US platform in spite of being an F-35
            just for curious have you ever tried talking in at "Best Fighter For Canada"?? You would be hanged for sure for the bold part

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              Gripen E ready for weapons carriage trials. Also reported to be on track for 2019 delivery.

              https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...trials-448691/
              Sum ergo cogito

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                A story on Gripen E/F (in Portugese) after the Gripen seminar:

                http://www.aereo.jor.br/2018/05/16/s...sos-do-gripen/

                Nothing of interest in the text however some of the slides may be of interest.

                The one showing the MAWS units made me wonder -- three MAWS units are displayed, but presumably there are more ? Perhaps forward right and rear right, in addition to forward left and rear left?? If yes it seems the Gripen E/F will have 5 MAWS units in total?

                In any case it compares well to the Super Hornet which has no MAWS!

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                  Yeah, six MAWS units. From Hensholdt (previously PAWS-2 but it got nixed in favour of more modern sensors).

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                    Originally posted by Loke View Post
                    The one showing the MAWS units made me wonder -- three MAWS units are displayed, but presumably there are more ? Perhaps forward right and rear right, in addition to forward left and rear left?? If yes it seems the Gripen E/F will have 5 MAWS units in total?
                    You really think Saab is only going to install the left hand side sensors?

                    Originally posted by kirtap View Post
                    Yeah, six MAWS units. From Hensholdt (previously PAWS-2 but it got nixed in favour of more modern sensors).
                    With the downward facing sensor located at the back below the engine, do you happen to know where the 6th, upward facing sensor is located? Maybe behind the cockpit? Or in front of the cockpit next to the IRST dome?
                    How can less be more? It's impossible. More is more.
                    Yngwie Malmsteen

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                      Originally posted by Loke View Post
                      A story on Gripen E/F (in Portugese) after the Gripen seminar:

                      In any case it compares well to the Super Hornet which has no MAWS!
                      The Super was supposed to have a MAWS integrated with IDECM ALQ-214. It was to be developed from the AN/ALR-57 CMWS.

                      Apparently, after the USAF pulled the plug on equipping their legacy fleet with It, navy followed suit. Apparently, they didnt see much functionality in a simple MAWS compared to the extensive defensive avionics suite and countermeasures already carried... at least compared to costs.
                      Last edited by FBW; 18th May 2018, 21:52.

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                        From Hensholdt (previously PAWS-2 but it got nixed in favour of more modern sensors)
                        Really? Do you have a source for this?

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                          Apparently, they didn’t see much functionality in a simple MAWS compared to the extensive defensive avionics suite and countermeasures already carried
                          Countermeasures don't do much good if you have to rely on the Mk1 Eyeball in order detect the attack and the Mk2 Hand with the Mk3 Finger in order to engage said countermeasures.
                          "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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                            Countermeasures don't do much good if you have to rely on the Mk1 Eyeball in order detect the attack and the Mk2 Hand with the Mk3 Finger in order to engage said countermeasures.
                            Luckily for the Gripen E users, Gripen E will not suffer from those limitations you refer to

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                              Saab has been awarded SEK224 million (USD26 million) to upgrade systems on the Swedish Air Force (SwAFs) fleet of Gripen C/D combat aircraft.

                              The Swedish Defence Materiel Administration (FMV) contract, announced by the company on 23 May, involves enhancements to the current MS20-configuration, which was rolled out in 2016.

                              Specifically, improvements will be made to the aircrafts central capabilities, including the target acquisition, self-protection, communication, and human-machine interface systems, as well as a number of key support and training systems.

                              The work will be carried out at Saabs facilities in Gothenburg, Jrflla, Linkping, and Arboga, with deliveries to take place between 2018 and 2020.

                              The SwAF fields 73 single-seat Gripen C and 24 twin-seat Gripen D aircraft that have all be upgraded to the MS20 standard (the final such block for the Gripen C/D). Essentially a software package, MS20 includes integration of the MBDA Meteor beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile and BoeingGBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb I; improved radar modes; a digital close-air support capability; increased Link 16 connectivity; civil navigation enhancements; chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear (CBRN) protection for the pilot; night-capable operations using the SPK 39 Modular Reconnaissance Pod II; and a ground collision avoidance system (GCAS).
                              Read more: http://www.janes.com/article/80248/s...rd-gripen-c-ds

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                                Gripen Rear Fuselage, Designed by Akaer, Passes Load Tests

                                http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...oad-tests.html
                                Sum ergo cogito

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                                  Look at 1min23s : "...Gripen is a 5th generation aircraft, it is the most modern one currently operating in the world....".
                                  It was said by a Brazilian Air Force (FAB) officer, lieutenant colonel.

                                  Sadly, this misinformation is common in Brazil with regard to FAB and Saab about the Gripen NG.

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                                    Appears that Slovakia is going for F16 instead of gripen C 😪

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                                      Update on Gripen E from SAAB

                                      http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...rnborough.html
                                      Sum ergo cogito

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                                        Boasting a bit, but emphasis on the new separate avionics architecture. Capability to upgrade electronics quickly is a quite interesting feature of Gripen E.

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                                          Capability to upgrade electronics quickly is a quite interesting feature of Gripen E.
                                          Already in the F-35 through a combination of COTS, VMs, APIs, and middle-ware.
                                          "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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