Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

SAAB Gripen and Gripen NG thread #4

Collapse
X
Collapse
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • topspeed
    Get on uppah !
    • Jan 2009
    • 2659

    Originally posted by obligatory View Post
    does any of the scandinavian nations operate tankers ?
    Scandinavian countries are so small that tankers would be vulnerable.
    If it looks good, it will fly good !
    -Bill Lear & Marcel Dassault


    http://max3fan.blogspot.com/

    Comment

    • swerve
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Jun 2005
      • 13610

      Originally posted by topspeed View Post
      Scandinavian countries are so small that tankers would be vulnerable.
      Really? In order of size, biggest first -
      Sweden
      Norway
      Germany
      Finland
      UK
      Juris praecepta sunt haec: honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere.
      Justinian

      Comment

      • Starfish Prime
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2016
        • 949

        Yeah, I didn't get that comment either, they're also coastal countries. The UK is pretty small as country size goes and it has tankers.

        Comment

        • Nicolas10
          Senior Member
          • May 2005
          • 4523

          Originally posted by Loke View Post
          AFAIK Gripen is the first 4.5 gen fighter with "beamed" (directonal) datalinks(?)
          I think it's planned for Rafale MLU with the omnifunction conformal AESA arrays :-P

          Comment

          • topspeed
            Get on uppah !
            • Jan 2009
            • 2659

            Originally posted by swerve View Post
            Really? In order of size, biggest first -
            Sweden
            Norway
            Germany
            Finland
            UK
            Tanker in Finland would be like aircraft carrier in Germany.
            If it looks good, it will fly good !
            -Bill Lear & Marcel Dassault


            http://max3fan.blogspot.com/

            Comment

            • Loke
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Jun 2008
              • 3302

              New Delhi, October 3:

              Swedish aerospace and defence giant Saab Group is betting big on the Indian market for its fighter jet Gripen.

              The $800-million Saab aeronautics, which has already bagged $5 billion worth of global orders for Gripen, is planning to set up an entire production and assembly line in India to co-produce the jets under the Make in India programme.

              “Saab is here to team up with India and be there for the next 100 years. This is not just about setting up an aircraft industry but also about true transfer of technology and sharing of trade secrets,” said Mats Palmberg, Vice President, Industrial Partnerships, Saab Aeronautics.
              Full story: http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...cle9180925.ece

              Comment

              • Loke
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Jun 2008
                • 3302

                IAF Chief on new fighter deals

                He also spoke about unsolicited offers that India has received from Boeing, Saab and Locheed Martin to manufacture fighter aircraft in India and said the company which offers the best deal will be selected.

                He said Saabs Gripen is a good fighter as compared to others like F-16 of Lockheed Martin but the decision will depend on many factors.
                Read more: http://indianexpress.com/article/ind...-raha-3065206/

                As expected, Eurofighter is out; and as expected this will be between the SH, F-16 and Gripen. His hint that the decision will "depend on many factors" may not be positive for the Gripen though...

                Comment

                • Loke
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Jun 2008
                  • 3302

                  In case you go shopping in Brazil...


                  https://twitter.com/portalfab/status...353409?lang=en

                  Comment

                  • Loke
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 3302

                    The Brazilian Air Force (FAB) showcased the Gripen NG at the 4th*Mostra IDB Brazil, the Brazilian Defence Industrial exhibition where over 80 organizations participated. The FAB booth displayed a full-size replica of the Gripen NG which is being developed by Saab with the participation of six*Brazilian companies, reports Cavok. Currently, 90 Brazilian engineers are in Sweden under the technology transfer program. Of the 36 aircraft ordered by the Air Force, 15 would be made in Brazil. In addition to the Gripen model, visitors could view information on touchscreens and 3D displays.
                    According to Major Marco Antonio Aidar Riberio, “The armed forces are working for Brazil to stop being a mere buyer and to become a developer of technology, leveraging (the strengths of) the domestic industry. This technology is not restricted to defence products, but spills over to other sectors. It is committed to the development of the country.”
                    According to Colonel Julio Cesar Cardoso Tavares, F-X2 project manager, the importance of participation in the IDB Brazil is to show the Brazilian society how public resources are being invested. Also, says the report, he sees the projects under development at FAB as being a two-way street, on the one hand promoting the equipping of the Air Force and, on the other, enabling transfer of knowledge. “The technology transfer under the Gripen NG project will enable*Brazil, in the future, to develop its own supersonic fighter,” says Colonel Tavares.
                    http://www.gripenblogs.com/Lists/Pos...t.aspx?ID=1518

                    Comment

                    • Halo
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Apr 2009
                      • 212

                      Dismantle or not to dismantle, that is the question

                      Swedens coming Gripen E can be made with all new components or using some parts from Gripen A or Gripen C.

                      All new is 7bSEK more expensive than canabalizing Gripen C, while saving the C's to canabalize Old Gripen A would be 3,5 bSEK pricier. 1usd=8,6 SEK (historic range 6-10 SEK/USD)

                      Decision expected this year so potential customers for Gripen C is in a bit of hurry! (Thailand, Slovakia, Botswana & M'sia)

                      http://www.svd.se/regeringens-dilemm...ta-miljardnota

                      Comment

                      • JakobS
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Aug 2015
                        • 155

                        Originally posted by Halo View Post
                        Decision expected this year so potential customers for Gripen C is in a bit of hurry! (Thailand, Slovakia, Botswana & M'sia)
                        There is no reason to worry if you are a potential customer. There are very few components from the A/C that will be used for the Gripen E (less than 100). An example is the pitot tube and the catapult chair.

                        The Gripen A and C won't be cannibalized, the components in question will be removed carefully. The A-planes can still be rebuilt into C-planes and sold afterwards.

                        When you build a C-plane from an A-plane lot's of components are being re-used. If the swedish government decides to take the components from the stored A-planes for themselves to the E-planes then it just means that those components removed will have to be bought new for a rebuild from A to C.

                        In previous cases where A-planes have been rebuilt to C-planes and then exported the customer still had to pay for these components, the A-planes belong to the swedish air force. Now it just means that 100 less components can be taken to the C-build and will have to be bought new instead.
                        Last edited by JakobS; 6th October 2016, 20:07.

                        Comment

                        • Loke
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Jun 2008
                          • 3302

                          How hopeful are you in selling the Gripen to India?

                          I think the Indian market is quite promising and it is our firm belief that the proposal we have, which includes Make In India building indigenous capability in all areas and the product itself is very well suited to fulfil the operational needs. We are confident, we understand there will be competition of course but we have a strong belief that we have a good solution.

                          Gripen fighters lost the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) bidding in 2011 to French Rafale. What makes you optimistic now?

                          I think the Indian side has now evolved in their approach and they are also taking a more mature approach through the Make In India campaign. I think that would make us more successful in this perspective regardless of losing out the last time. And of course, we have continued to develop the product.

                          India recently bought 36 French Rafale jets although the original MMRCA deal got scrapped. Do you see it as a setback?

                          No. I think there is demand enough for fighters in India.
                          Read more: http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...cle9198612.ece

                          Comment

                          • Y-20 Bacon
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2013
                            • 2176

                            this demand is for a tejas replacement (for whateve reason the IAF tops doesnt want it, but the gov't does)

                            Comment

                            • TomcatViP
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Nov 2011
                              • 6108

                              it doesn't seem to me that the IAF doesn't want it. They have been deeply involved in the project since the beginning. It wouldn't make any senses especially when nothing echoes that assertion.

                              IMOHO, indian gov forsee the disponibility rate being lower than required with a fleet of aging upgraded airframe, somewhat (and sometime) lower MKI avaibity and the introduction of the first developped fighter in decades. It would then be reasonable to make provision for an on-the-shelf western design and pairing this need with a future partnership for the LCA.

                              We then have Mig (if they have something cooking in the vault), Saab and LM the most obvious solution.... With Saab a proven partner and LM a shining one with the example of Korea.
                              That said, this might left Boeing behind but will emphasies the resset of Geopolitical balance in the region at a time when India could fear being isolated by the attraction exerted by China on both Russia and Pakistan.
                              Last edited by TomcatViP; 9th October 2016, 02:27.

                              Comment

                              • Y-20 Bacon
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2013
                                • 2176

                                any news about the development of the naval gripen?
                                sea gripe?

                                Comment

                                • APRichelieu
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Mar 2016
                                  • 149

                                  Originally posted by Loke View Post
                                  Originally posted by Halo View Post
                                  Swedens coming Gripen E can be made with all new components or using some parts from Gripen A or Gripen C.

                                  All new is 7bSEK more expensive than canabalizing Gripen C, while saving the C's to canabalize Old Gripen A would be 3,5 bSEK pricier. 1usd=8,6 SEK (historic range 6-10 SEK/USD)

                                  Decision expected this year so potential customers for Gripen C is in a bit of hurry! (Thailand, Slovakia, Botswana & M'sia)

                                  http://www.svd.se/regeringens-dilemm...ta-miljardnota
                                  Maybe it is a better idea to sell the Gripen C to India instead of cannibalizing them.
                                  While rejected for MMRCA, they should certainly be a nice upgrade of the MiG-21s falling apart.

                                  Comment

                                  • Spitfire9
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Jul 2008
                                    • 2832

                                    Bulgaria’s Defence Ministry May Change Criteria for Jet Fighter Acquisition

                                    Reportedly, the changes to the criteria would favour the acquisition of US-made second-hand aircraft.
                                    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...quisition.html

                                    Not so good for Gripen's chances of landing the order.
                                    Sum ergo cogito

                                    Comment

                                    • halloweene
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Jan 2012
                                      • 4350

                                      Originally posted by Spitfire9 View Post
                                      Bulgaria’s Defence Ministry May Change Criteria for Jet Fighter Acquisition



                                      http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...quisition.html

                                      Not so good for Gripen's chances of landing the order.
                                      From a Bulgarian pilot, not really happy and grumbling after corruption of politicians...

                                      Comment

                                      • swerve
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Jun 2005
                                        • 13610

                                        Originally posted by APRichelieu View Post
                                        Maybe it is a better idea to sell the Gripen C to India instead of cannibalizing them.
                                        While rejected for MMRCA, they should certainly be a nice upgrade of the MiG-21s falling apart.
                                        There are other potential customers. Upgrade the radar to Mk4, a few other improvements . . .
                                        Juris praecepta sunt haec: honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere.
                                        Justinian

                                        Comment

                                        • JakobS
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • Aug 2015
                                          • 155

                                          Originally posted by APRichelieu View Post
                                          Maybe it is a better idea to sell the Gripen C to India instead of cannibalizing them.
                                          As I said earlier, the plans will not be cannibalized. The components in question will be removed carefully and the planes can still be resold later.

                                          Comment

                                          Unconfigured Ad Widget

                                          Collapse

                                           

                                          Working...
                                          X