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  • Loke
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    • Jun 2008
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    Interview with Swedish test pilot on the Gripen E:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neNM...ature=youtu.be

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    • Urban
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      • Jan 2015
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      http://www.aerospacetestinginternati...ArticleID=1938

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      • Loke
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        • Jun 2008
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        Summary of the capacities of the mk4 version of the PS-05/A radar:

        http://saab.com/globalassets/publica...r_brochure.pdf

        Significant improvements in tracking range, and also ECCM improvements. I wonder if Sweden will implement this upgrade? Seems like a no-brainer, in combination with the Meteor it should make for a quite lethal BVR system even against "LO" targets.

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        • swerve
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          • Jun 2005
          • 13610

          The question is whether it's worth implementing on Sweden's JAS39Cs before they're replaced by JAS39Es. For countries with newer Cs, or not planning to replace them with Es, yes, it seems like a no-brainer.
          Juris praecepta sunt haec: honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere.
          Justinian

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          • TomcatViP
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            • Nov 2011
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            Remember when they said they will not fit their latest AESA on the short Grip?
            Interesting that they turned their mind.

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            • JakobS
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              • Aug 2015
              • 155

              Originally posted by Loke View Post
              I wonder if Sweden will implement this upgrade? Seems like a no-brainer, in combination with the Meteor it should make for a quite lethal BVR system even against "LO" targets.
              Sorry, it's not on the table at the moment. Don't see it happening at all for the swedish fleet, my best bet would be that the Czech's are interested.

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              • MSphere
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                • Feb 2010
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                Originally posted by TomcatViP View Post
                Remember when they said they will not fit their latest AESA on the short Grip?
                Interesting that they turned their mind.
                PS-05/A Mk4 is not AESA.

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                • Halo
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                  • Apr 2009
                  • 212

                  Originally posted by TomcatViP View Post
                  Remember when they said they will not fit their latest AESA on the short Grip?
                  Interesting that they turned their mind.
                  They did not change anything, this is the planned upgrade path for PS 05, NOT the AESA radar

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                  • swerve
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                    • Jun 2005
                    • 13610

                    Yes. I think all the changes are in the back end. Existing radars can be upgraded, keeping the antenna.
                    Juris praecepta sunt haec: honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere.
                    Justinian

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                    • obligatory
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                      • Oct 2008
                      • 7043

                      AESA was said to require work on both electric generation and cooling on C model

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                      • swerve
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Jun 2005
                        • 13610

                        Yes, & IIRC there's a space problem. So it needs a lot of work & expenditure (the array is expensive), while upgrading the existing mechanically scanned radar is easy & relatively cheap.
                        Juris praecepta sunt haec: honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere.
                        Justinian

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                        • Spitfire9
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                          • Jul 2008
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                          Thailand to buy more Gripens?

                          ...the new Thai Air Force chief is expected to consider buying another four Saab JAS 39 Gripen fighters to add to an existing squadron of a dozen multi-role combat aircraft of the same type from Sweden.

                          The Air Force has 12 Gripen fighters at Air Wing 7 in the southern Surat Thani province. The Gripen squadron was procured in 2008 to replace the U.S.-made F-5E Tiger fighters.

                          The Swedish fighter is reported to cost about 69 million U.S. dollars per unit.
                          http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...e-gripens.html
                          Sum ergo cogito

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                          • TomcatViP
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                            • Nov 2011
                            • 6110

                            Thanks guys for the update regarding the non-aesa PS05 mk4.

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                            • JohLin
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                              • Apr 2014
                              • 70

                              Swedish_ Air_ Force_90years
                              https://vimeo.com/174850240

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                              • JSR
                                JSR
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                                • Aug 2011
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                                Originally posted by Loke View Post
                                Summary of the capacities of the mk4 version of the PS-05/A radar:

                                http://saab.com/globalassets/publica...r_brochure.pdf

                                Significant improvements in tracking range, and also ECCM improvements. I wonder if Sweden will implement this upgrade? Seems like a no-brainer, in combination with the Meteor it should make for a quite lethal BVR system even against "LO" targets.
                                Gripen is aerodynamically obsolete concept. it cant carry big EW pods in the wing tips. when equipped with Meteor itself a 30 year old concept. now you can drop mentioning Meteor advantage in every thread.
                                this is the range of missile for China.
                                https://sputniknews.com/military/201...ssia-su35.html
                                The fighter jet comes armed with K-77M radar-guided missiles with a range of over 120 miles (193km) providing pilots with standoff capabilities ensuring pilot protection
                                Last edited by JSR; 20th September 2016, 15:36.

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                                • FBW
                                  FBW
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                                  • Dec 2011
                                  • 3295

                                  And abandon all hope Россия is great and powerful!!!



                                  "I must break you"- Ivan Drago

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                                  • JSR
                                    JSR
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                                    • Aug 2011
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                                    The point is they shouldn't make stupid claims about radars/missiles/ew/aerodynamics. Sweden sold practically every brand overseas and those brands are considered medium tech relative to high tech fighter aircrafts of 21st century. Three is only one or maximum two countries they can do complex heavy engg stuff in military- industrial complex. The rest creates joint ventures-subsidaries.

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                                    • Mercurius
                                      Cantabrigiensis
                                      • Sep 2007
                                      • 1376

                                      Originally posted by JSR View Post
                                      this is the range of missile for China.
                                      Seriously? You are citing SPUTNIK as a source? I would not trust Sputnik to tell me the weather conditions outside their office, let alone anything about defence.

                                      We do not know the maximum range of Meteor, but the rival FMRAAM design offered by Raytheon had a range of 150 km.



                                      Originally posted by JSR View Post
                                      Gripen is aerodynamically obsolete concept. it cant carry big EW pods in the wing tips..
                                      Since when was carrying big EW pods on the wing tips a desirable feature of a fighter? Gripen carries an internal EW suite.

                                      The relative virtues of pods versus internal suites has long been a matter of debate in the EW community. The consensus is that both arrangements have their advantages and disadvantages - there is no 'best' solution.



                                      Originally posted by JSR View Post
                                      Meteor itself a 30 year old concept
                                      The idea that Meteor is a 30 year old design has reared its head before in the forum. It was nonsense then, and is nonsense now. Meteor development started in 2002. Development of the R-77 started in the early 1980s.



                                      Originally posted by JSR View Post
                                      The point is they shouldn't make stupid claims about radars/missiles/ew/aerodynamics.
                                      Sweden is no slouch in defence technology, and what they do, they do well. More than 20 nations operate the RBS70 missile system.
                                      Mercurius Cantabrigiensis

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                                      • obligatory
                                        Senior Member
                                        • Oct 2008
                                        • 7043

                                        Mercurius: there is about a grand total of 5 forum members that hasnt added JSR to ignore list,
                                        just saying

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                                        • JSR
                                          JSR
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • Aug 2011
                                          • 4977

                                          Originally posted by Mercurius View Post
                                          Seriously? You are citing SPUTNIK as a source? I would not trust Sputnik to tell me the weather conditions outside their office, let alone anything about defence.
                                          whats wrong with the source? the source is right more than often to comparable sources like Janes.


                                          We do not know the maximum range of Meteor, but the rival FMRAAM design offered by Raytheon had a range of 150 km.
                                          these are paper projects like overweight F-15 with TVC that cant carry anything.

                                          Since when was carrying big EW pods on the wing tips a desirable feature of a fighter? Gripen carries an internal EW suite.
                                          when Sukhoi showed up with big pods. internal EW is for weak.
                                          The relative virtues of pods versus internal suites has long been a matter of debate in the EW community. The consensus is that both arrangements have their advantages and disadvantages - there is no 'best' solution.
                                          it hasn't been debated. Sukhoi settled it with outside pods. and smaller planes cant take big internal ew suite anyway.



                                          The idea that Meteor is a 30 year old design has reared its head before in the forum. It was nonsense then, and is nonsense now. Meteor development started in 2002. Development of the R-77 started in the early 1980s.
                                          late development does not mean the technology behind is new. it is outdate before it enter service.



                                          Sweden is no slouch in defence technology, and what they do, they do well. More than 20 nations operate the RBS70 missile system.
                                          you are living in 70s-80s. when things become complex and each system is entering fifth generation a lot of countries falling behind. they cant compete anymore.
                                          for example how many countries can built fourth or fifth generation nuclear reactors alone and on time compared that to 1960s simplistic models.

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