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  • Loke
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    • Jun 2008
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    Saab can contribute to the government’s Make-in-India and Skill India initiatives by setting up manufacturing facilities and training academies in the country, says Jan Widerstrm, the Swedish defence major’s India head and chairman. In an interview with Smriti Jain, he adds that the company welcomes the recent FDI reforms in the defence sector. “If India were to consider the Gripen fighter jet, Saab would be able to roll out the first aircraft from Indian soil in 3-5 years,” he says.
    Full story: http://www.financialexpress.com/arti...-years/295216/

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    • Loke
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      • Jun 2008
      • 3302

      • General Electric F414-GE-39E engine.
      • Selex Skyward-G IRST.
      • Selex ES-05 Raven AESA radar.
      • Two new fuselage pylon stations, left and right of centerline.
      • Mil Std 1760E class II interface to all pylons.
      • Gen4 Litening laser designator pod (LDP) plus RecceLite.
      • Crypto, jam-resistant fighter link.
      • Reduced radar cross-section (RCS) included as a contractual obligation.
      • New electronic warfare (EW) systems.
      • Missile approach warning system (MAWS) sensors linked to automatic chaff/flare launchers.
      • New mission software standards: MS21 and MS22
      So it seems they have reduced RCS further on the E/F. Also interesting to note that Gen4 Litening will be integrated, a pretty advanced piece of equipment (and probably one of the reasons why the Danish F-16 performed to "well" in the Danish F-35 eval compared to the SH and Typhoon)

      Read more: http://www.combataircraft.net/2016/0...smart-fighter/

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      • Loke
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        • Jun 2008
        • 3302

        Jakarta (ANTARA News) - multi-role fighter aircraft made ​​in the Swedish Saab, JAS39 Gripen , has officially offered to the Indonesian government.
        For Indonesia, he said, Saab opened the widest selection of desirable variants, whether JAS39 Gripen C / D or JAS39 Gripen NG (E / F), which was launched on May 18, 2016 and then in Linkoping, Sweden.
        They are F-16 Viper (aka F-16 Block 60 Fighting Falcon ) Lockheed Martin, United States, Sukhoi Su-35 (KnAAPO, Russia), Eurofighter Typhoon (Airbus Military, Airbus consortium), and JAS39 Gripen C / D and JAS39 now Gripen NG (E / F) (Saab, Sweden).

        Unlike the others, Saab ensures single-engine fighter planes multirole (interceptors, ground attack, and observation-control fighter) can be landed in the Mother Earth just 12 months after the contract is signed for sure.

        Google translated from: http://www.antaranews.com/berita/570...pada-indonesia

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        • Loke
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          • Jun 2008
          • 3302

          Around the end of the year Saab expects to fly the new Gripen E for the first time.
          Known to Saab as 39-8, the first aircraft is one of three pre-production test aircraft authorized by the Swedish government. While the first aircraft is to concentrate initially on aircraft systems and aerodynamics trials, the second aircraft, 39-9, is due to fly next year with some tactical systems installed. The third test aircraft is to join the test fleet in 2019 with a representative IOC (initial operating capability) fit and software load, known as MS (mission system) 21. Saab is also working on the follow-on MS22, which adds greater functionality.
          Sweden faces the threat of a new generation of Russian aircraft and missiles in the Baltic. To maintain a credible counter the Gripen E introduces increased range and endurance, better communications and electronic warfare suite, AESA radar, longer-ranged and smarter weapons, lower signature and impressive sensor fusion.
          Read more: http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-ne...-latest-gripen

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          • walkinginshadow
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            • Feb 2013
            • 7

            Gripen Fighter Challenge - Official Trailer
            https://youtu.be/bAgacfOzuyw

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            • walkinginshadow
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              • Feb 2013
              • 7

              http://www.airscene.co.uk/news/tag/r...al-air-tattoo/

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              • JBr
                JBr
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                • Mar 2016
                • 3

                Some information regarding Czech Gripens that may be interesting for some people. Translated from Czech articles. The first one is an excerpt from a larger article, focused on the future of Gripen in the Czech Air Force. It is few months old but it took me some time to actually sit down and translate it. The second one is quite fresh and is focused on the planned deployment to Iceland.

                Excerpt translated from the "New philosophy of the Air Force of the Czech Army", published in March 2016 issue of the Letectvi & kosmonautika:

                The most powerful type in the service of the Czech Air Force is still the supersonic JAS 39C/D fighter jet. As the lease from Sweden was extended to 2027, this segment of the fleet is taken care of for the time being. Further extension of the lease or any other alternative solutions won't be discussed earlier than in 2020. Upgrade plan for Gripens was approved and some upgrade programs are already starting. For example, the following upgrades are being prepared: integration of NVG, system for encrypted voice communication, new IFF system working in NATO mode 5 and civilian mode S and especially the integration of NATO Link 16 datalink.

                One of the biggest changes will be the expansion of operational capabilities of Gripens to include "air to ground" missions. So far the aircraft were "only" used in their main role, which was air space policing, ie. "air defence". It turns out that the Czech Army may be in need of A2G capability, especially in case of deployment abroad or in a situation where the operation radius of L-159 Alca wouldn't be sufficient. For this purpose the upgrade package also includes acquisiton and integration of Mk.82 and Mk. 83 unguided bombs and their guided versions GBU-12 and GBU-16, which should be done in 2018, with expected initial operations capability the following year.

                However, it is important to note that the number of aircraft (14), pilots and ground personnel was originally only meant to cover the "air to air" training and QRA duty as part of the NATINAMDS. The new role of Gripen then should be considered more like an add-on to their original purpose. This is only possible as almost all the pilots are now fully trained for the A2A which brings a certain potential for training new types of tasks. The Air Force currently presumes that out of the leased 2100 fleet flight hours a year, approx. one third will be used for the "air to ground" training. If it turns out that the A2G training in any way negatively influences the A2A training, the air defence training will always be preferred.

                Together with A2G weapons the Gripens will also gain electro-optical recce and targeting pods. Those, however, can also be used in air combat and for target identification during air policing in adverse weather conditions or at night. The total of 4 pods will be acquired in 2018.

                The second half of the lease period will also bring the need for replacement of the current AIM-9M Sidewinder missiles, as their service life will end around 2025 and even now their maintenance support becomes more and more limited. As it seems best for the Czech Republic to "stick" to the original upgrade programs of the manufacturer and other users, the already integrated AIM-2000 IRIS-T missile is one of the replacement options. If in the end this missile was acquired, it would most likely be complemented with the modern helmet-mounted sights, which would be another leap forward in operation capabilities.
                Excerpts translated from http://www.ceskenoviny.cz/zpravy/ces...ketami/1368901

                Czech Gripens deployed to air policing mission at Iceland in autumn may be armed with long ranged missiles for the first time in the history of Czech Gripen foreign deployments. It was stated by the Minister of Defence Martin Stropnick. Czech fighters will be guarding Iceland's airspace for the third time, but this time the army will mostly send new personnel. Iceland was dealing with Russian Air Force provocations in the past.

                The Czech task force will be composed of approx. 70 men and women and will be lead by Jaroslav Tomaňa, OC of the 211th Tactical Squadron from the 21st Tactical Air Force Base Čslav. He stated that the preparations are "under way". "We are now focusing on training courses that are part of the preparations. All the members of the ground personnel have to go through S.E.R.E. - B course (survival, evasion, resistence and extraction)," Tomaňa noted. In July all the members will undergo medical checks. Transports of material, personnel and the ferry flight of JAS 39 are also being planned. "The first part of the task force will depart at the end of September.", Tomaňa said.

                The Army is again counting on using an air tanker for in-flight refuelling during the ferry flight. The tanker could be from Nebraska ANG, the partner of the Čslav AFB, who has two KC-135 tankers deployed in Europe. Czech Air Force can also use services of another countries with this capability, like Italy, Germany or France.

                However, the Army doesn't rule out the possibility of a refuelling stop during the ferry flight. It is also a back-up plan in case of the tanker or Gripens having technical difficulties. "In such case the pilots have to be able to land on an alternate airport, refuel and do the pre-flight checks without any assistance from the ground crew," Tomaňa said.

                Same as in the previous deployments to Iceland, four Gripens will be on duty and the fifth will serve as a back-up. "Our Gripens are supposed to be armed with the AMRAAM missiles for the first time in the history of our deployments abroad. It will be a new experience for the pilots and also an opportunity for training outside the Czech Republic," Stropnick noted.

                Most of the task force personnel, composed of the members of the 21st Tactical Air Force Base Čslav, will be people without previous experience from 2014 and 2015 deployments. "It would be easier to make the task force out of the people who have already been deployed to Iceland, but this isn't the way we decided to take. The main priority for selecting the personnel was to expand operational and combat capabilities of the 21st AFB," Tomaňa said.

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                • eagle
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                  • Jan 2000
                  • 2369

                  Nice read, thanks for the translation!
                  How can less be more? It's impossible. More is more.
                  Yngwie Malmsteen

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                  • TomcatViP
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                    • Nov 2011
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                    +1

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                    • haavarla
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                      • Dec 2008
                      • 6695

                      Haven't followed the Gripen NG for a long time..
                      What are the sitrep on Prototypes and serial/pre-serial airframes?

                      First flight at year end..?
                      Thanks

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                      • Urban
                        Rank 4 Registered User
                        • Jan 2015
                        • 121

                        Originally posted by haavarla View Post
                        Haven't followed the Gripen NG for a long time..
                        What are the sitrep on Prototypes and serial/pre-serial airframes?

                        First flight at year end..?
                        Gripen demo is finished testing and there are three test beds flying with the "finished" exterior. It will most likely fly before the end of this year.

                        Gripen is redesigned completely, but saved its exterior because of the flight performance, most of it is new inside. There are some differences on the outside also, some air intakes, some angles not being there, some extra sensors, Materials has change etc.

                        Swaf bought those three also.

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                        • walkinginshadow
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                          • Feb 2013
                          • 7

                          Here is status spring 2016
                          http://www.gripenblogs.com/Lists/Pos...t.aspx?ID=1477

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                          • Loke
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                            • Jun 2008
                            • 3302

                            Dogfight! F-16V Viper versus J-39E Gripen: Who Wins?

                            The F-16V is the clear winner here, because it exists and flies today. It is the most combat proven design in the history of fourth generation multi-role fighter airpower, and it is actual flying and being tested now. I vote for IT as the obvious winner of the F-16V versus J-39E mock-fight.

                            However, (as a former F-16 operator, this part pains me to say) that if the J-39E becomes a reality, and all the discussed items become real too, IT will be the clear winner. The lower RCS design, the IRSTS, and the higher thrust-to-weight ratio give the J-39E the edge for the top spot on the fourth generation multi-role fighter podium. It will be one highly capable and extremely difficult unicorn to defeat by any capable adversary!
                            Full story: https://fightersweep.com/6024/dogfig...-j-39e-gripen/

                            LOL!

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                            • Loke
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                              • Jun 2008
                              • 3302

                              Gripen E w. AESA, IFF etc.

                              https://twitter.com/jrvianney/status...498816?lang=en

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                              • TomcatViP
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                                • Nov 2011
                                • 6107

                                Better thrust to weight for the E... You're sure?

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                                • FBW
                                  FBW
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                                  • Dec 2011
                                  • 3295

                                  Originally posted by TomcatViP View Post
                                  Better thrust to weight for the E... You're sure?
                                  Author was bizarrely comparing thrust to weight ratio at MTOW.

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                                  • TomcatViP
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                                    • Nov 2011
                                    • 6107

                                    Yes and without inducing the not so recent announcement of the increase in empty weight. (read comments)

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                                    • MSphere
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Feb 2010
                                      • 8983

                                      Does the F-16V really exist? Where?
                                      I know there was some test flight in Oct 2015 but the thing is not in series, AFAIK..

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                                      • FBW
                                        FBW
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                                        • Dec 2011
                                        • 3295

                                        Originally posted by MSphere View Post
                                        Does the F-16V really exist? Where?
                                        I know there was some test flight in Oct 2015 but the thing is not in series, AFAIK..
                                        It is the upgrade/modernization path being offered to F-16 users. Taiwan's are just starting to be upgraded. The first ones are indeed flying.
                                        http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-ne...t-takes-flight

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                                        • walkinginshadow
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                                          • Feb 2013
                                          • 7

                                          Flying Grpen
                                          https://youtu.be/TIsENp7k8N8

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