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  • JakobS
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    • Aug 2015
    • 155

    And they are not gonna find anything again. Saab have learnt their lesson from South Africa.

    If some bribes have been paid out then there is no way that it's gonna be traced back to Saab/BAE this time around.

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    • Tryggve
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Sep 2013
      • 15

      I just read that the procedure to impeach Dilma Rousseff is moving forward. If she is removed, could this affect the Gripen deal?

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      • Urban
        Rank 4 Registered User
        • Jan 2015
        • 121

        Originally posted by Tryggve View Post
        I just read that the procedure to impeach Dilma Rousseff is moving forward. If she is removed, could this affect the Gripen deal?
        Sure it could . But nothing that has to do with the gripen e buy.

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        • Tonnyc
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Dec 2013
          • 102

          Originally posted by Tryggve View Post
          I just read that the procedure to impeach Dilma Rousseff is moving forward. If she is removed, could this affect the Gripen deal?
          Likely not. The FAB is fully behind the deal and the deal does not require Brazil to pay for it until after delivery. So at the moment Brazil has not paid anything. Dassault and Boeing all quoted higher prices, and IIRC with no deferred payment option. So had it been one of the other two, Brazil's budget woes would have been worse. About the only option that is lighter on the Brazilian budget is to get nothing at all, and that is something the FAB is very much against.

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          • wellerocks
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • May 2010
            • 76

            Originally posted by JakobS View Post
            And they are not gonna find anything again. Saab have learnt their lesson from South Africa.

            If some bribes have been paid out then there is no way that it's gonna be traced back to Saab/BAE this time around.
            Wasn't even Saab who played unfair, but an EADS executive who payed a third party organization.

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            • Loke
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Jun 2008
              • 3302

              After tons of testing and validation, Sweden is ready to roll out Version 20 of Gripen C/D:

              http://www.fmv.se/sv/Nyheter-och-pre...JAS-39-Gripen/

              Includes:

              * Meteor integration
              * SDB integration
              * New and improved radar software
              * Improve recce capabilities
              * Automatic ground collision avoidance system
              * Etc

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              • Loke
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Jun 2008
                • 3302

                Sweden's Saab remains committed to its offer of leasing the Malaysian government its JAS 39 Gripen C/D multirole fighter in a bid to kick-start the country's stalled multirole combat aircraft (MRCA) programme, Thomas Linden, head of Saab Malaysia, said on 19 April.

                Speaking at the Defence Services Asia (DSA) exhibition, Linden outlined the lease package being offered to the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) to meet its stated requirement to replace its ageing fleet of Russian MiG-29N 'Fulcrum-A' fighters, which were originally scheduled to be retired by late 2010.
                Read more: http://www.janes.com/article/59619/s...mrca-programme

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                • Spitfire9
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 2834

                  Linden said... "Whether or not Malaysia will go with this or whether they will go another way, we don't know that yet."
                  Never truer words spoken.
                  Sum ergo cogito

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                  • Loke
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 3302

                    Huskit ranks the "top BVR fighters of 2016"; surprise entry at 2nd.

                    https://hushkit.net/2016/04/24/the-t...hters-of-2016/

                    Edit: Swedish blogger Wiseman writes about how the introduction of the Meteor missile into the Swedish defence force significantly increases the threshold by denying an opponent air superiority:

                    http://wisemanswisdoms.blogspot.com/...VvnQFHQ77tt7F7


                    Wiseman is a former Gripen pilot.
                    Last edited by Loke; 25th April 2016, 08:09.

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                    • Spitfire9
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 2834

                      Originally posted by Loke View Post
                      Huskit ranks the "top BVR fighters of 2016"; surprise entry at 2nd.
                      Barring F-22 Huskit seems to rate Meteor as the crucial factor in determining the most effective BVR fighter. When Rafale gets it, Rafale will no doubt take number 2 position from Gripen... until Typhoon is equipped with Meteor, too, when Typhoon will displace Rafale as number 2.
                      Sum ergo cogito

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                      • Loke
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 3302

                        Originally posted by Spitfire9 View Post
                        Barring F-22 Huskit seems to rate Meteor as the crucial factor in determining the most effective BVR fighter. When Rafale gets it, Rafale will no doubt take number 2 position from Gripen... until Typhoon is equipped with Meteor, too, when Typhoon will displace Rafale as number 2.
                        The point is that as long as the opponent does not have anything similar to Meteor (and also does not fly the F-22), Gripen will be in a good position.

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                        • obligatory
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 7043

                          the swivel radar on gripen E at least keeps it on par vs rafales extra couple of shots,
                          EF will eventually eclipse gripen E tho, some day, in a very distant future, maybe, if germans feel like spending

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                          • TomcatViP
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Nov 2011
                            • 6110

                            All those assertion are fine until you stop detecting what you are supposing to shoot at. It reminds me the rigid tactics worked by the RAF before the battle of Britain. Very precise, meticulously enacted etc...
                            Don't take me wrong, the Meteor is fine for most of the situation as known today, but to say that it is the most effective...

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                            • Spitfire9
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 2834

                              Originally posted by TomcatViP View Post
                              Don't take me wrong, the Meteor is fine for most of the situation as known today, but to say that it is the most effective...
                              What BVR A2A missile is not less effective than Meteor?
                              Sum ergo cogito

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                              • TomcatViP
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Nov 2011
                                • 6110

                                Speed of engagement is what will matter in a modern battlefield. Illuminating your adversary for an extra set of time will be resource consuming (direct and offset support), resources that per se for a Gripen customer are scares.
                                Don't take me wrong, there is certainly a balance of op condition where owning Meteor will bring a distinct advantage, but those occurrence are getting scarce when J20 or PakFa are the new norm.
                                Last edited by TomcatViP; 26th April 2016, 00:14.

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                                • obligatory
                                  Senior Member
                                  • Oct 2008
                                  • 7043

                                  Originally posted by TomcatViP View Post
                                  All those assertion are fine until you stop detecting what you are supposing to shoot at. It reminds me the rigid tactics worked by the RAF before the battle of Britain. Very precise, meticulously enacted etc...
                                  Don't take me wrong, the Meteor is fine for most of the situation as known today, but to say that it is the most effective...
                                  GaN AESA & spanky new processing power all but nullify the moderate level of observable F-22 & 35 is built to,
                                  ..and which BVR A2A weapon do you think is even remotely as dangerous ?

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                                  • TomcatViP
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Nov 2011
                                    • 6110

                                    I just read an article about the new US bomber... They are all leaning for stealth. At 500B$ shouldn't someone pick-up the phone and let them know?
                                    Oh wait, the shape to defeat detection is even converging and seems to have reached a plateau...

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                                    • FBW
                                      FBW
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Dec 2011
                                      • 3295

                                      Originally posted by obligatory View Post
                                      GaN AESA & spanky new processing power all but nullify the moderate level of observable F-22 & 35 is built to,
                                      ..and which BVR A2A weapon do you think is even remotely as dangerous ?
                                      Helps to get the details right when making dubious overarching statements. The Raven ES-05 is GaA.

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                                      • Ozair
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Oct 2015
                                        • 822

                                        Originally posted by FBW View Post
                                        Helps to get the details right when making dubious overarching statements. The Raven ES-05 is GaA.
                                        To add to that, there still remains the issue that the VLO airframe will be detected at a shorter range than a non VLO airframe. So irrespective of the radar system used the F-22/F-35 will be detected at shorter ranges than their equivalent 5th gen aircraft, let alone the 4th gen, merely for the fact they have a lower RCS.

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                                        • Halo
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • Apr 2009
                                          • 212

                                          Multi Functional Antennas / EW suite are GaN AESA, not ES-05 main radar.

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