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  • TomcatViP
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Nov 2011
    • 6107

    The US Air Forces Next Generation Air Dominance program is key to mission success


    By: Lt. Gen. David Deptula (ret.) and Doug Birkey
    Source:
    https://www.defensenews.com

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    • TomcatViP
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Nov 2011
      • 6107

      Youre in partnership with Raytheon on the Iron Dome, as well as some other projects. How is that relationship, and how has it eased the process of being able to work with the United States?

      We have been working in the United States for more than 25 years, and the way that we are doing business and we are very satisfied is that we are working with the tier-one companies. We understand that at the end of the day the U.S. customer would like to see a U.S. entity. When you pick up the phone, you would like to have someone from the United States that will be able to give him the added value of, for example, cybersecurity and other classified issues.

      So we are working with Northrup Grumman for more than 25 years on the Litening [targeting pod]. We are working with Raytheon on Iron Dome and Davids Sling. Were working with BAE Systems on the remote control weapon system for the Navy. We are working with Lockheed Martin for our missiles and our Spice. So in a sense we understand that you have to work with those partners.

      Speaking of Davids Sling, I know Rafael was asked by Switzerland to participate in a competition for missile defense, Davids Sling being the specific system the country was interested in. Rafael decided not to do that. Can you explain?

      I wouldnt say that Rafael decided not to do this, and I cant get into all the details. As a matter of fact, the request was sent to the Israeli government.

      And there was some contact between the Israeli government and Switzerland. Unfortunately, it didnt work, but I hope well still have an opportunity to do something like this in the future.

      Can you elaborate on what happened?

      I might have some assumption, but I prefer not to share it with you.
      https://www.defensenews.com/top-100/...ort-potential/

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      • haavarla
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Dec 2008
        • 6695

        wait what!? I thought the F-35 program was the Key to future mission success...
        Thanks

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        • djcross
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Jan 2000
          • 5456

          Originally posted by haavarla View Post

          wait what!? I thought the F-35 program was the Key to future mission success...
          F-35 was only intended to counter threats for approximately 30 years, with parity in forces occurring in approximately 2030. Threats include evolved S-300 and Su-27, which we see today as S-400/500/HQ-9 and SU-35/57. F-35's short combat radius is its biggest downfall in countering post-2030 threats.

          NGAD is intended to operate over the timespan 2030-2060 against threats which are expected to be introduced at that time period.

          The key takeaway from the article is:
          Design concepts are still classified, but it is expected that stealth-enabled survivability, advanced electronic warfare capabilities, robust sensors, processing power and the ability to share data in a real-time, collaborative fashion will stand as key attributes.

          It is also highly likely that NGAD will not be one specific aircraft. It will likely comprise an integrated system of manned and unmanned aircraft that will integrate networked teaming to deliver desired mission effects.
          "Not one specific aircraft" and "integrated system" means expensive, expensive, expensive. It is definitely not going to be a set of capabilities which poor countries can replicate or counter. Tempest and the DA fighter mockup are yesterday's requirements, not those capable of countering threats in 2030+.
          Last edited by djcross; 24th July 2019, 23:39.

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          • haavarla
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Dec 2008
            • 6695

            Originally posted by djcross View Post
            F-35 was only intended to counter threats for approximately 30 years, with parity in forces occurring in approximately 2030. Threats include evolved S-300 and Su-27, which we see today as S-400/500/HQ-9 and SU-35/57. F-35's short combat radius is its biggest downfall in countering post-2030 threats.

            NGAD is intended to operate over the timespan 2030-2060 against threats which are expected to be introduced at that time period.

            The key takeaway from the article is:


            "Not one specific aircraft" and "integrated system" means expensive, expensive, expensive. It is definitely not going to be a set of capabilities which poor countries can replicate or counter. Tempest and the DA fighter mockup are yesterday's requirements, not those capable of countering threats in 2030+.
            Yeah, but try not to put too much sugar on this djc..
            This what you describe is not somethinh that only happen every 30 year in history.
            It happens every day, every week ,moth and year!
            Its a dynamical ladder, and new and better force multiplier comes out all the time.
            Thanks

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            • panzerfeist1
              Rank 6 Registered User
              • Feb 2018
              • 394

              F-35 was only intended to counter threats for approximately 30 years, with parity in forces occurring in approximately 2030. Threats include evolved S-300 and Su-27, which we see today as S-400/500/HQ-9 and SU-35/57. F-35's short combat radius is its biggest downfall in countering post-2030 threats.

              This reminds me of the time the US thought it would take Russia 10 years to develop nukes and in the next 3 years we can all guess what happened next. I am not putting a lot of high hopes when someone develops a weapon system to believe they have superiority over said amount of time. I never take boasting from any country too seriously not bashing just the F-35 but also the s-400 just people that think its the greatest thing since slice of bread.
              I thought the fall of western civilization was a tragedy, now I realize it's a comedy.

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              • djcross
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Jan 2000
                • 5456

                All weapons have a useful life. F-35's prominence in the System of Systems is expected to expire in the 2030s when other countries could match its capabilities and/or field countermeasures to its capabilities.

                The big military aviation news for the past week was Turkey's expulsion from the F-35 program. The expulsion was necessary because F-35 performance information, captured by S-400's ESM, could be provided to the Russians and Chinese. The ESM data would allow Russia/China to reverse engineer F-35 mission systems and software, cutting many years off of F-35's useful life.

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                • TomcatViP
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Nov 2011
                  • 6107

                  Originally posted by TomcatViP View Post

                  Russian plane involved appears to be a Beriev A-50!

                  https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/24/w...sia-plane.html
                  New info:
                  Seoul said South Korean fighter jets fired flares and 360 rounds of warning shots to drive away the Russian reconnaissance plane that entered its airspace twice
                  https://www.militarytimes.com/flashp...ace-violation/

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                  • TomcatViP
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 6107

                    Lockheed Martin wins $600 million contract to supply U.S. Navy radars

                    Lockheed Martin's Radar Sensor Systems market segment has been awarded a contract from Northrop Grumman worth over $600 million.

                    The contract is for multi-year production of 24 additional APY-9 radars for the U.S. Navy's E-2D aircraft program. It's also known as the Advanced Hawkeye program.

                    The APY-9 radar program is nearing completion of a current five-year production contract in 2020, and this new award calls for another five years of production with deliveries spanning from 2021 to 2025. The latest radar order will include Lockheed Martin's new Advanced Radar Processor.
                    Source:
                    https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/

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                    • halloweene
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Jan 2012
                      • 4350

                      https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...r-coming-69661
                      Bye, Bye F-35: The Navy's F/A-XX 6th Generation Fighter Is Coming

                      It's advanced.

                      Probably clickbait sensionalistic article albeit worth reading

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                      • pilatus
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Jun 2005
                        • 737

                        Irish Air Corps pilot's to be trained in Australia
                        visit www.irishairpics.com

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                        • XB-70
                          Rank 4 Registered User
                          • May 2018
                          • 350

                          halloweene - There wasn't much of anything there...just the statement from April regurgitated again and then some generalized (often non-related) stuff. The latest I could dig up is this below. It seems like it is still just generalized concepts...might not learn much until years end or next year.

                          https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...-drawing-board

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                          • SpudmanWP
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 5292

                            Originally posted by halloweene View Post
                            Probably clickbait sensionalistic article albeit worth reading
                            Let me check.. let's see.. "nationalinterest.org".. yup, clickbait and no, not worth reading

                            You also seem to make the same primary mistake that they do: The F/A-XX & PCA are not F-35 replacements, they are F-22 Super Hornet replacements.
                            Last edited by SpudmanWP; 29th July 2019, 01:33.
                            "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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                            • XB-70
                              Rank 4 Registered User
                              • May 2018
                              • 350

                              Indonesia seeks to renegotiate K-FX

                              https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...x-cost-459837/

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                              • BlackArcher
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 4285

                                KAI yet to receive confirmation of Argentine FA-50

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                                • BlackArcher
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Dec 2010
                                  • 4285

                                  Canada releases fighter RFP

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                                  • BlackArcher
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Dec 2010
                                    • 4285

                                    LM begins integration of Auto-GCAS into F-35As

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                                    • BlackArcher
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Dec 2010
                                      • 4285

                                      Egyptian Air Force begins F-16 engine upgrade

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                                      • BlackArcher
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Dec 2010
                                        • 4285

                                        Taiwanese F-16s carry out live fire test of Harpoon missiles

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                                        • TR1
                                          TR1
                                          http://tiny.cc/tp8kd
                                          • Oct 2010
                                          • 9818

                                          https://www.aninews.in/news/national...0190729180503/

                                          Interesting. India buying ~220 million USD of R-27s from Russia. Last time they bought R-27s was in 2013, 400 missiles from Ukraine.

                                          Also there was talk about another deal for 300 R-73E and 400 RVV-AE. Hopefully meaning an export version of the R-77-1, to replace the old Ukrainian stock.
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