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  • Tango III
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    • Sep 2006
    • 25360

    Admiral Kuznetsov to go to Mediterranean Sea carrying new fighters - source

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    • Tango III
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      • Sep 2006
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      Russian Aerospace Forces to Get Over 30 Su-30SM Fighter Jets

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      • jbritchford
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        • Sep 2004
        • 1550

        Have there been any announcements about a UK V-22 purchase? There's a small article to that effect in today's Times.
        "Quicquid agas age"

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        • Tango III
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          • Sep 2006
          • 25360

          Boeing's KC-46 test run complicated by C-17 refuelling issue

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          • Tango III
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            • Sep 2006
            • 25360

            Sierra Nevada will convert two Royal Saudi Air Force King Air 350 ER aircraft to full ISR configuration, with a full package of reconnaissance and surveillance equipment.

            Pentagon Contract Announcement

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            • Tango III
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              • Sep 2006
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              Israel Seeks Greater Autonomy for F-35 Fighter Force

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              • comoford
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                • Mar 2009
                • 93

                Originally posted by jbritchford View Post
                Have there been any announcements about a UK V-22 purchase? There's a small article to that effect in today's Times.
                Misreading of circumstances (as usual).
                UK eyes potential for in-flight refuelling of helicopters (18 January, 2016 )

                With the acquisition of a new type, such as the Bell Boeing V-22 tiltrotor, unlikely, [Maj Gen] Felton says the focus is instead on adding range to existing platforms.

                This could either be achieved through the installation of internal fuel tanks with a reduced payload the trade-off or the addition of in-flight refueling.
                Flow on effect of in-flight helicopter refueling is that C-130 fleet will hang around.

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                • comoford
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                  • Mar 2009
                  • 93

                  UK RAF shows interest in Voyager boom, alas no money

                  ... Air Marshal Greg Bagwell said the operational case for equipping at least some of the UK's Voyagers with a boom has already been accepted by the service, but that there is currently no money available for the conversion work ...

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                  • djcross
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                    • Jan 2000
                    • 5417

                    Originally posted by comoford View Post
                    So much for NATO interoperability.

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                    • Flanker_man
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                      • Jan 2000
                      • 3674

                      but it also means that the RAF cannot refuel an increasing number of types in its own fleet.
                      I can think of the RC-135W Rivet Joint that has a boom receptacle - but what other types are in RAF service that need a boom ??

                      I agree, it would have made more sense for the RAF/Air Tanker to go for the boom-equipped variant like Australia - much more versatile.

                      .... and they are not 'allowed' to use the A400M as a tanker !!!

                      Ken
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                      • AndyMarden
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                        • Jun 2009
                        • 204

                        Ken,
                        How about the most important new platform: the F-35.....
                        Andy

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                        • Gerard
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                          • Aug 2009
                          • 3083

                          Originally posted by AndyMarden View Post
                          Ken,
                          How about the most important new platform: the F-35.....
                          Andy
                          Only the A model uses the boom.
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                          • swerve
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                            • Jun 2005
                            • 13610

                            Originally posted by Flanker_man View Post
                            I can think of the RC-135W Rivet Joint that has a boom receptacle - but what other types are in RAF service that need a boom ??
                            C-17, E-3, & P-8 planned.

                            .... and they are not 'allowed' to use the A400M as a tanker !!!

                            Ken
                            I think that could be got round very easily. The AAR equipment & the aircraft are made by AirTanker consortium members, & support & training for A400M AAR could be added to the existing contract. I can easily imagine AirTanker being very co-operative. The consortium wants to do more AAR, & I doubt it cares if it isn't all with A330s.

                            Imagine the RAF paying for a few A400M AAR kits and for a couple of booms to be fitted to Voyagers. Does anyone think AirTanker executives would be unhappy?

                            PS. The AAR kit for the KC-130J is also made by an AirTanker member. I doubt there'd be any problems with fitting some of our C-130Js for helicopter refuelling.
                            Last edited by swerve; 6th April 2016, 17:58.
                            Juris praecepta sunt haec: honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere.
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                            • Flanker_man
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                              • Jan 2000
                              • 3674

                              Originally posted by swerve View Post
                              C-17, E-3, & P-8 planned.
                              The RAF E-3D is unique in that it has a probe AND a receptacle - so it could use both (though I'm not sure if the crews have currency on both systems??)

                              I also used to think that the F-35 only had a boom receptacle - but 'our' version - the F-35B, has a probe.

                              So, presumably the F-35B (US Marines) and F-35C (US Navy) can also only use Probe-and-Drogue?

                              Ken

                              PS - Another thought..... there is much talk at the moment about the SAS and V-22 (preferred for its speed and range?) - but the Merlin helicopter also has (had?) a retractable boom - all it needs is a suitable (read slow) tanker.

                              Surely the A-400M could serve in that role - if it were so fitted out.
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                              • Gerard
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                                • Aug 2009
                                • 3083

                                Originally posted by Flanker_man View Post
                                The RAF E-3D is unique in that it has a probe AND a receptacle - so it could use both (though I'm not sure if the crews have currency on both systems??)

                                I also used to think that the F-35 only had a boom receptacle - but 'our' version - the F-35B, has a probe.

                                So, presumably the F-35B (US Marines) and F-35C (US Navy) can also only use Probe-and-Drogue?

                                Ken

                                PS - Another thought..... there is much talk at the moment about the SAS and V-22 (preferred for its speed and range?) - but the Merlin helicopter also has (had?) a retractable boom - all it needs is a suitable (read slow) tanker.

                                Surely the A-400M could serve in that role - if it were so fitted out.

                                A400M tanker
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                                • SpudmanWP
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                                  • Jan 2009
                                  • 5266

                                  Originally posted by Flanker_man View Post
                                  I also used to think that the F-35 only had a boom receptacle - but 'our' version - the F-35B, has a probe.

                                  So, presumably the F-35B (US Marines) and F-35C (US Navy) can also only use Probe-and-Drogue?
                                  By default the F-35A uses the boom and the F-35B/C use Probe & Drogue.

                                  However, to enable our allies to use the F-35A with their current IFR fleet, the F-35A was designed so that Probe & Drogue can easily be added back in (only during prod, not after).

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                                  "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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                                  • swerve
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                                    • Jun 2005
                                    • 13610

                                    Originally posted by Flanker_man View Post
                                    The RAF E-3D is unique in that it has a probe AND a receptacle - so it could use both (though I'm not sure if the crews have currency on both systems??)
                                    Doh! Forgot that. And I've seen plenty of pictures of 'em with a bloody great probe sticking out!

                                    PS - Another thought..... there is much talk at the moment about the SAS and V-22 (preferred for its speed and range?) - but the Merlin helicopter also has (had?) a retractable boom - all it needs is a suitable (read slow) tanker.

                                    Surely the A-400M could serve in that role - if it were so fitted out.
                                    A400M has a problem with refuelling helicopters because of turbulence from those four big props. It's been done successfully with an extra-long hose, but the AdlA didn't like that. Hence the recent French order for a couple of KC-130J. A bitter disappointment to me, BTW. It's being worked on, so we can hope.
                                    Last edited by swerve; 6th April 2016, 17:56.
                                    Juris praecepta sunt haec: honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere.
                                    Justinian

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                                    • TomcatViP
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                                      • Nov 2011
                                      • 6001

                                      A disappointment to you but it saves lifes. There are reports of French special forces being impaired by the limited time on station due to the lack of refueling caps. I have even in mind an hostage liberation turning badly because of that.
                                      Time has been given to Airbus to sort the situation, extended and even complaisantly rescheduled.


                                      ...Diabolicum est, has they use to say.

                                      B/w a longer hose only aggravates the problem (same for a longer boom - see kc46 problem today). The attenuation in amplitude you'd get will only met very specific conditions.
                                      Last edited by TomcatViP; 6th April 2016, 19:40.

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                                      • Tango III
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                                        • Sep 2006
                                        • 25360

                                        A Japan Air Self-Defense Force U-125 has gone missing.

                                        Air Self-Defense Force jet with 6 on board missing

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                                        • Tango III
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                                          • Sep 2006
                                          • 25360

                                          Belarus to Receive 4 Russian Yak-130 Jets, S-300 Battalion in 2016

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