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By: - 24th November 2015 at 09:17 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Just read this too, really is an important moment here. This could escalate quickly, they have been warned on several occasions about entering turkish airspace. Have read that 'NATO is ready to defend Turkey if this is the case'.
By: - 24th November 2015 at 09:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Just read this too, really is an important moment here. This could escalate quickly, they have been warned on several occasions about entering turkish airspace.
The Russian side already wants blood. They are trying to insist that Turkey should allow the Russians to continue violating its airspace as it pleases
By: - 24th November 2015 at 09:25 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Interesting that Turkey is claiming F-16's fired the shots, and Russia claiming they were ground launched (opportunity for them to bomb any launchers??)
By: - 24th November 2015 at 09:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Interesting that Turkey is claiming F-16's fired the shots, and Russia claiming they were ground launched (opportunity for them to bomb any launchers??)
And its being repeated in media outlets as well, clims it was ground fire and that the plane never entered Turkish airspace
Some video footage can be seen here
http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/11/24/18/56/warplane-crashes-in-syria-near-turkey
By: - 24th November 2015 at 09:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
And its being repeated in media outlets as well, clims it was ground fire and that the plane never entered Turkish airspaceSome video footage can be seen here
http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/11/24/18/56/warplane-crashes-in-syria-near-turkey
Apparently a jet was shot down before, but with great media shots this will make a much larger impact (no pun intended). reading that the Turks warned the Russian jet 10 times in 5 minutes. Syrian Acitivists have apparently captured one of the pilots, I 'believe' these are more friendly than Daesh/ ISIL, so don't expect any grisly videos any time soon (thankfully). Is it possible they could hand over to Turkey?
Edit; Reuters is reporting 'Turkmen' forces (for me that's Turkmenistan, not Turkey..)
By: - 24th November 2015 at 09:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Turkey is playing a dangerous game. Last thing they want is to get the Russians mad at them.
By: - 24th November 2015 at 09:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I presume the Turkish military will eventually be able to provide proof that the RuAF stryed into its territory - radar tape recordings etc.?
By: - 24th November 2015 at 09:54 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I presume the Turkish military will eventually be able to provide proof that the RuAF stryed into its territory - radar tape recordings etc.?
even if they did, the aircraft was not hostile to Turkey. Such trigger happy behaviour has potential to be highly destabilizing and escalatory in the region.
By: - 24th November 2015 at 09:58 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
even if they did, the aircraft was not hostile to Turkey. Such trigger happy behaviour has potential to be highly destabilizing and escalatory in the region.
Agree, but they have warned Russia off on numerous occasions, and several times on this occasion.
Interesting footage on the BBC,
I note in the video a smoke trail appears to the left of the aircraft, is this the killer missile (or perhaps a second?), or just a coincidence?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-34907863
By: - 24th November 2015 at 10:06 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
even if they did, the aircraft was not hostile to Turkey. Such trigger happy behaviour has potential to be highly destabilizing and escalatory in the region.
If it's another repeated incursion after many other previous incursions I am sure the Turks will believe that they are well within their rights. Do you think the Russians would be so lenient about repeated flight incursions into the territory of the Russian Federation?
By: - 24th November 2015 at 10:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
even if they did, the aircraft was not hostile to Turkey. Such trigger happy behaviour has potential to be highly destabilizing and escalatory in the region.
You are right not hostile to Turkey however how many warning is enough after the 100th one you do something or stop giving them out Russia can not just do as it wants and that goes for every one if this gets out of hand we need to take a long look at our self
By: - 24th November 2015 at 10:11 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
pilots captured by rebel group. but no idea which one yet.
By: - 24th November 2015 at 10:20 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
If it's another repeated incursion after many other previous incursions I am sure the Turks will believe that they are well within their rights. Do you think the Russians would be so lenient about repeated flight incursions into the territory of the Russian Federation?
You are right not hostile to Turkey however how many warning is enough after the 100th one you do something or stop giving them out Russia can not just do as it wants and that goes for every one if this gets out of hand we need to take a long look at our self
They could have attempted to force land the Su -24 since it was in Turkish Airspace.. Turkey is supposedly against ISIS. RuAF jets are working against ISIS and other terrorist groups.
Shooting down a military jet of RuAF for an airspace violation while its engaged in anti ISIS operation is actually helping ISIS.
and now they want to drag in NATO via an "emergency meet"
By: - 24th November 2015 at 10:25 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
They could have attempted to force land the Su -24 since it was in Turkish Airspace..
No, they couldn't have, the Russian pilots would just have ignored them and fled back over the border.
By: - 24th November 2015 at 10:32 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Turkey acting as ISIS Air Force. Why I´m not suprised?
Let´s see what the west will say to Turkey specially after the terrorists atacks in Paris.
Turkey continues to support ISIS despite all that.
By: - 24th November 2015 at 10:36 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
They could have attempted to force land the Su -24 since it was in Turkish Airspace.. Turkey is supposedly against ISIS. RuAF jets are working against ISIS and other terrorist groups.
Shooting down a military jet of RuAF for an airspace violation while its engaged in anti ISIS operation is actually helping ISIS. and now they want to drag in NATO via an "emergency meet"
Yes, that's true. They wouldn't be so trigger happy about these incidents if the Turkish Islamist party in power was not actually very actively involved in the Syrian war to bring down the Assad regime by any means (supporting radical Islamist groups and at the very least turning a blind eye on supply and recruitment support going on over its territory). It's almost farsical how the European NATO partners under threat by the radical Islamist terrorist attacks might be invited now to provide support to the Turkish side.
By: - 24th November 2015 at 10:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Turkey acting as ISIS Air Force. Why I´m not suprised?Let´s see what the west will say to Turkey specially after the terrorists atacks in Paris.
Turkey continues to support ISIS despite all that.
France too is blasting ISIS. there are bound to be some airspace violations by French AF as well. Will Turkey shoot down French Rafales as well ?
By: - 24th November 2015 at 10:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Seems to be a lack of communication between the RuAF Su-24 and TuAF. If the Russian pilots had made clear their intentions to the Turkish airforce, this would not have happened. Hope the pilots are safe and returned unharmed. There'll be accusations flung back and forth, but don't expect WWIII as some members here are jumping up and down for. Russian airforce ops will continue, and if anything, stronger protocols introduced between the regional militaries to avoid this happening again. Move along, nothing to see here.
By: - 24th November 2015 at 10:44 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Seems to be a lack of communication between the RuAF Su-24 and TuAF. If the Russian pilots had made clear their intentions to the Turkish airforce, this would not have happened. Hope the pilots are safe and returned unharmed. There'll be accusations flung back and forth, but don't expect WWIII as some members here are jumping up and down for. Russian airforce ops will continue, and if anything, stronger protocols introduced between the regional militaries to avoid this happening again. Move along, nothing to see here.
Hopefully this is exactly how everything will be explained and how everything will be settled.
By: - 24th November 2015 at 10:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Pilot landed in territory contested by FSA and Al Nursa
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By: Y-20 Bacon - 24th November 2015 at 09:05
Turkish F-16 shoots down Russian su-24..
will Russia retaliate?
