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  • MSphere
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2010
    • 8983

    #41
    IRIAF:
    F-14As are 37-39 years old
    RF-4Es are 45 years old
    F-4Es are 43-44 years old
    F-4Ds are 46-47 years old
    F-5A/Bs are 50 years old
    F-5E/Fs are 39-41 years old
    MiG-29s were delivered 22-25 years ago
    Su-24Ms were delivered 24 years ago

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    • CoffeeBean
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Jun 2011
      • 404

      #42
      No one mentioned Tu-22M for Iran?!

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      J/k.
      Last edited by CoffeeBean; 25th October 2015, 16:06.

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      • TomcatViP
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Nov 2011
        • 6107

        #43
        I thought they were all bound for Egypt.

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        • obligatory
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2008
          • 7043

          #44
          Originally posted by JSR
          Iran should all three that will be in production. MIG-35/Su-34/Su-35. Preferrably 300 each. even at $100m each. it is $30b. Plus another $30b for IL-78/A-100/Missile.
          Such large Airforce will ensure that Arabs and Turks will bankrupt trying to compete with it.
          big Iranian airforce mean that Irak will not have to spend on too big airforce.
          it may be that i simply mis-judged JSR altogether,
          this is quality humor

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          • Tempest414
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Oct 2012
            • 975

            #45
            Originally posted by TomcatViP View Post
            There are still some MirageIII flying out there
            Yes and the Pak AF ones have had a very good upgrade but they are now being replaced by JF-17 due to age

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            • Tempest414
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Oct 2012
              • 975

              #46
              So the way I see it Iran's best way forward will be a mix of Russian and Chinese kit as I said before do a deal with China/Pakistan to build 120 JF-17's in Iran and have 30 delivered from Pakistan or China. Buy 60+ SU-30's from the Russians also look into 40+ Yak-130's in the training A2G role in support of the Fast jets 12 ll-78 Tanker/transports and 15 to 20 An-32 and maybe 6 AEWaC

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              • JSR
                JSR
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Aug 2011
                • 4976

                #47
                Originally posted by obligatory View Post
                it may be that i simply mis-judged JSR altogether,
                this is quality humor
                This very realistic assement of amount new fighters they can absorb.

                watch the video starting from 14 minute. there is ICBM provision.
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB_zAOX1Pkc

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                • halloweene
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 4350

                  #48
                  Iran just came back inthe "concert of nations". I doubt they will quickly rebuild their air force.

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                  • Y-20 Bacon
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2013
                    • 2176

                    #49
                    Originally posted by MSphere View Post
                    IRIAF:
                    F-14As are 37-39 years old
                    RF-4Es are 45 years old
                    F-4Es are 43-44 years old
                    F-4Ds are 46-47 years old
                    F-5A/Bs are 50 years old
                    F-5E/Fs are 39-41 years old
                    MiG-29s were delivered 22-25 years ago
                    Su-24Ms were delivered 24 years ago
                    what is the extent they can overhaul them and rebuild the airframes? seems like they could nearly do it compltely with the F-5 and AH-1s as well as modifying the mirages to fire russian missiles

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                    • JSR
                      JSR
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Aug 2011
                      • 4976

                      #50
                      Originally posted by halloweene View Post
                      Iran just came back inthe "concert of nations". I doubt they will quickly rebuild their air force.
                      you are confusing two different issues. Iran return to concert of nations have nothing to do with Russia decision making this led to joint intervention in Syria. Things are going very fast in economics with swaps.
                      http://sputniknews.com/world/2015102...contracts.html

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                      • TomcatViP
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Nov 2011
                        • 6107

                        #51
                        On the contrary, Hallow. The nuke agreement is pretty much all about trading nuclear deterrence for conventional military forces. The regime didn't agreed with restriction just to replenish their caves with fine French wines.

                        What (and in effect), how they buy, will shape their capabilities.

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                        • Tempest414
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Oct 2012
                          • 975

                          #52
                          Originally posted by halloweene View Post
                          Iran just came back inthe "concert of nations". I doubt they will quickly rebuild their air force.
                          if Iran start this year it will take between 7 and 10 year to replace the currant fleet however within 2 year they could have 40 new air-frames

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                          • TomcatViP
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Nov 2011
                            • 6107

                            #53
                            Originally posted by Tempest414 View Post
                            if Iran start this year it will take between 7 and 10 year to replace the currant fleet however within 2 year they could have 40 new air-frames
                            Unless they took pro-active measures. At the end, they were the only one knowing if they'd sign the agreement.

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                            • MSphere
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 8983

                              #54
                              Originally posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
                              what is the extent they can overhaul them and rebuild the airframes? seems like they could nearly do it compltely with the F-5 and AH-1s as well as modifying the mirages to fire russian missiles
                              They have built a rather extensive infrastructure to maintain Tomcats, Phantoms and Tigers. On top of that the IRIAF Self-Sufficiency at TFB.3 have learnt how to bring at least a few of the ex-Iraqi Mirages back to flyable status. Fitters were refurbished with help of Ukrainian advisors back in 1994 but considered unsafe - they only were brought back fifteen years later by Pars Aviation which generally does Russian aircraft.

                              I have yet to see the IRIAF Mirage carrying anything else than drop tanks.. The mods on the F1EQ-4 to carry Kh-29L were made by Iraq, not Iran.

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                              • Y-20 Bacon
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2013
                                • 2176

                                #55
                                Originally posted by MSphere View Post
                                They have built a rather extensive infrastructure to maintain Tomcats, Phantoms and Tigers. On top of that the IRIAF Self-Sufficiency at TFB.3 have learnt how to bring at least a few of the ex-Iraqi Mirages back to flyable status. Fitters were refurbished with help of Ukrainian advisors back in 1994 but considered unsafe - they only were brought back fifteen years later by Pars Aviation which generally does Russian aircraft.

                                I have yet to see the IRIAF Mirage carrying anything else than drop tanks.. The mods on the F1EQ-4 to carry Kh-29L were made by Iraq, not Iran.
                                the best person to ask is Tom Cooper, but for some reason this forum and his has issues with each other.
                                but i am sure i saw somewhere Mirage F-1s were modified to fire R73s

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                                • MadRat
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Aug 2006
                                  • 5033

                                  #56
                                  A combination of FC-1 using RD-93 and MiG-35 probably wouldnt be all bad for the low and medium levels. Much more costly than running Su-30M and J-10A both using Al-31FN. Let them burn up the cash. It is finite.
                                  Go Huskers!

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                                  • stealthflanker
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Sep 2015
                                    • 1013

                                    #57
                                    Originally posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
                                    the best person to ask is Tom Cooper, but for some reason this forum and his has issues with each other.
                                    but i am sure i saw somewhere Mirage F-1s were modified to fire R73s
                                    South African Mirage F-1's. That's the one can fire R-73.

                                    Dunno about Iraqis or Iranian Mirage F-1's

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                                    • MSphere
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Feb 2010
                                      • 8983

                                      #58
                                      Originally posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
                                      the best person to ask is Tom Cooper, but for some reason this forum and his has issues with each other.
                                      but i am sure i saw somewhere Mirage F-1s were modified to fire R73s
                                      Yep, that was the South African demo bird powered by SMR-95
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