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  • Beaufort
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Oct 2008
    • 15

    USN F-18 crashes near RAF RAF Lakenheath

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-34593948
    Last edited by Beaufort; 21st October 2015, 15:30.
  • BarnesW
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2015
    • 503

    #2
    Yikes. Hopefully they bailed in time.

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    • adrian_gray
      Which idiot let HIM in?
      • Jan 2000
      • 2984

      #3
      Sadly, it seems not.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-34593948

      Adrian
      "Snow clearing equipment has been found under snowdrift" - message sent from RNAS Hatston, Orkney, 1944.

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      • whalebone
        Hanging by a thread
        • Jan 2000
        • 1010

        #4
        Originally posted by BarnesW View Post
        Yikes. Hopefully they bailed in time.
        Sadly not, perhaps you should have clicked the link.

        RIP.
        I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them."

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        • nJayM
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Jun 2008
          • 1687

          #5
          RIP Blue skies and condolences to those bereaved.

          In the report http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-34593948 there is a strange/interesting comment/quote, re quoted here -

          "A witness to the US jet crash in Redmere has said she wanted to thank the family of the dead pilot, and he was a "great pilot"."

          It isn't clear whether the person quoted was thanking the family of the dead pilot for his/her life, his/her death or avoiding (if he/she had any control of the circumstances of crashing) homes.
          Jay

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          • ~Alan~
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Mar 2010
            • 5018

            #6
            Very sad.
            Condolences to the family of the pilot.
            Last edited by ~Alan~; 21st October 2015, 14:21.
            Engine Failure:.... A condition which occurs when all fuel tanks mysteriously become filled with air.

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            • BarnesW
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2015
              • 503

              #7
              Originally posted by whalebone View Post
              Sadly not, perhaps you should have clicked the link.

              RIP.
              I did but my eyes skipped the first line, or maybe it's been updated since? It was last modified 22 minutes ago, I posted 3 hours ago.

              So why didn't/couldn't he eject?
              Last edited by BarnesW; 21st October 2015, 14:20.

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              • paul178
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Mar 2011
                • 2925

                #8
                Seems he did eject
                I have kleptomania,But when it gets bad
                I take something for it.

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                • BarnesW
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2015
                  • 503

                  #9
                  Wow, that's pretty strange then.

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                  • nJayM
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 1687

                    #10
                    In the updated report here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-34593948 there seem to more ambiguities and possibly a clarification to one I raised in my post above ( http://forum.keypublishing.com/showt...59#post2266659 )

                    "A witness to the crash, Karen Miles-Holdaway, from Redmere, said she thought the pilot did very well to avoid any houses."

                    "The jet came down on farmland in Cambridgeshire, with the alarm raised at 10:30 BST."

                    "Miramar, base of the 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, said in a statement: "A third Marine aircraft wing FA-18/C Hornet belonging to Marine Attack Fighter Squadron 232 stationed at Marine Corps Air Station Miramar crashed in the vicinity of RAF Lakenheath at approximately 05:30am."

                    If in the alarm was raised at 10:30 BST I presume the 05:30 am implies EST which does not fit with the paragraph it is included in as time in San Diego where Miramar the base of Marine Attack Fighter Squadron 232 should be 8 hours behind BST.

                    Maybe someone reporting confused Miramar in Florida (EST) with Miramar in San Diego (PST).
                    Jay

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                    • Moggy C
                      Moderator
                      • Jan 2000
                      • 20534

                      #11
                      Originally posted by BarnesW View Post
                      Wow, that's pretty strange then.
                      Coincidentally it has been discussed if the increasingly sophisticated (and heavy) helmets worn by combat pilots pose a significant risk in ejections, particularly if the pilot is lightly built.

                      Moggy
                      "What you must remember" Flip said "is that nine-tenths of Cattermole's charm lies beneath the surface." Many agreed.

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                      • BarnesW
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2015
                        • 503

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Moggy C View Post
                        Coincidentally it has been discussed if the increasingly sophisticated (and heavy) helmets worn by combat pilots pose a significant risk in ejections, particularly if the pilot is lightly built.

                        Moggy
                        A simple solution would be to make the HMCS aspect of the helmet quick release and release it prior to ejection.

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                        • nJayM
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Jun 2008
                          • 1687

                          #13
                          Thanks Moggy C
                          Originally posted by Moggy C View Post
                          Coincidentally it has been discussed if the increasingly sophisticated (and heavy) helmets worn by combat pilots pose a significant risk in ejections, particularly if the pilot is lightly built.

                          Moggy
                          If it is the heavy helmet it may have possibly caused what is known in Neuro (Head including brain trauma) as a Contracoup injury http://www.brainandspinalcord.org/tr...ury/index.html

                          Racing motor cyclists can suffer these same injuries.

                          Usually though these injuries take a period in hospital (sometimes very long) before the person either recovers or succumbs to injuries. In this case the pilot was declared dead quite soon after the crash.

                          We may never know all the facts since this is a military and sensitive incident
                          Last edited by nJayM; 22nd October 2015, 13:14. Reason: Typo
                          Jay

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                          • BarnesW
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2015
                            • 503

                            #14
                            We don't really even know if it is the helmet yet, so far it's just supposition. There are a number of other things that can go wrong during an ejection at high speed, anything from hitting the canopy to hitting a bird.

                            Are the Cs even fitted with HMCS?
                            Last edited by BarnesW; 22nd October 2015, 15:35.

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                            • OPIT
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Aug 2005
                              • 901

                              #15
                              Cause #1 is an ejection out of the escape envelop, which usually is the consequence of a late ejection.

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                              • Robbiesmurf
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Jul 2014
                                • 587

                                #16
                                Ejection is always fraught with dangers. Although a seat ejects in an automated sequence (upon pulling the handle) what the a/c is doing at that moment can disrupt it's safe passage. Also the reaction and position of the crew can effect the end result.
                                I remember a Buccaneer Nav breaking his own sternum, with his jaw. Even though it is a short time (0.6 sec from pulling handle to leaving a/c), he had pulled and thought nothing had happened. He looked down to check the handle (seat-pan) had been correctly pulled and it went off... He was lucky to survive.
                                MB do work to high standards. When a seat is used in anger it is returned and is thoroughly inspected and analysed if it had worked correctly and if there could be any useful improvements.
                                Last edited by Robbiesmurf; 22nd October 2015, 19:38.

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                                • RacingMonk
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Jul 2009
                                  • 63

                                  #17
                                  MB aren't doing a terribly good job on the F-35 seat by all accounts.

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                                  • Dazza
                                    Rhino Power!
                                    • Jan 2000
                                    • 1488

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by RacingMonk View Post
                                    MB aren't doing a terribly good job on the F-35 seat by all accounts.
                                    What utter rubbish!
                                    MB designed the seat to the specs provideded by LM, an issue has since been discovered with lightweight pilots (because of the DOD's insistence that everyone from Tinkerbell to BigFoot should be able to fly it!), MB and LM are now working on a solution. That does not equate to MB not 'doing a terribly good job on the F-35 seat...'!

                                    -Dazza
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                                    • Moggy C
                                      Moderator
                                      • Jan 2000
                                      • 20534

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by BarnesW View Post
                                      We don't really even know if it is the helmet yet, so far it's just supposition.
                                      Not even supposition. I would never attempt to double guess the outcome of an investigation. It was merely a possibility - one amongst many.

                                      Apologies if it read otherwise

                                      Blue Skies Major Sareen.

                                      Moggy

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                                      "What you must remember" Flip said "is that nine-tenths of Cattermole's charm lies beneath the surface." Many agreed.

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                                      • TomcatViP
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Nov 2011
                                        • 6108

                                        #20
                                        Do we know why the rest of the squadron didn't land in the same airport? I read they were re-routed in Scotland. Does it means that it was an in-flight failure deemed minor that didn't seem urgent to be de-routed with his wingman?

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