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  • blackadam
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    • May 2013
    • 229

    J-10B vs F-2

    J-10A vs F-2

    Japan's F-2 vs. China's Lethal J-10 Fighter: Who Wins?

    At long ranges, the F-2 would eat the J-10 alive. At short ranges, the tables turn.
    Kyle Mizokami

    October 13, 2015
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    In the case of Japan F-2 production has already ceased, so the emphasis is on upgrading existing planes. The F-2 is receiving new data links and a new radar, the J/APG-2, which will be mated with the AAM-4B air to air missile. The AAM-4B is currently the only missile in the world with its own AESA radar. The after-launch target lock capability of the AAM-4B allows pilots to launch the missile and begin evasive maneuvers before achieving radar lock.

    Japan’s F-2 would have the advantage in long-range fights, being able to launch AAM-4B missiles from beyond visual range and then “turn and burn” in retreat. Thanks to their data links, F-2 units will be able to coordinate these long-range launches for maximum effect. Although China’s new phased array radar may be good, Japan’s long experience in radars means it’s safe to assume that the Japanese radar is better. J-10s might take serious losses in a scrape with the F-2 before they can even engage the enemy.

    If on the other hand the J-10 could get in close, the infra-red search and track capability will give the Chinese fighter an advantage in short-range fights. The F-2 has no IRST.

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    Both the J-10 and F-2 have their advantages and disadvantages. At long ranges, the F-2 would eat the J-10 alive. At short ranges, the tables turn. The long-range battle comes first though, and the F-2’s advantage could be enough to end the fight before both sides enter visual range. In the end, the F-2 comes out ahead in this duel of fighters.
    http://www.nationalinterest.org/feat...s-14056?page=2

    But, if replacing J-10B for J10A, it would be a different matter

    Two darling of PLAAF and JASDF confront each other, some basic information of their strengths and weaknesses

    J-10B



    DSI intake (reduce RCS, reduce weight and improve maneuverability of the aircraft)
    RAM
    IRST
    AESA radar
    Add more EW/ECM
    MAWS (missile approach warning)
    Very long-range missile (PL-15, ~200km)

    F-2



    Best AAMBVR (AAM-4B AESA radar seeker, 100~120km, not affected by the ECM)
    AESA radar
    EW/ECM
    Last edited by blackadam; 18th October 2015, 02:52.
  • blackadam
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • May 2013
    • 229

    #2
    Weakness: J-10B

    Delta-canard (RCS head-on increases)
    ECM useless against AAM-4B
    Quality WS-10A engine is unstable and weaknesses of China's aviation technology

    Weakness: F-2

    No IRST
    RCS larger than J-10B because no design DSI, RAM no paint
    FCR (J/APG-1) and AAM-4B seeker with a narrow scan angle, short-range (comparison with PESA, pulse-Doppler), they have weaknesses of AESA technology
    Last edited by blackadam; 18th October 2015, 03:19.

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    • Y-20 Bacon
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2013
      • 2176

      #3
      Originally posted by blackadam View Post
      Weakness: J-10B

      Delta-canard (RCS head-on increases)
      ECM useless against AAM-4B
      Quality WS-10A engine is unstable and weaknesses of China's aviation technology

      Weakness: F-2

      No IRST
      RCS larger than J-10B because no design DSI, RAM no paint
      FCR (J/APG-1) and AAM-4B seeker with a narrow scan angle, short-range (comparison with PESA, pulse-Doppler), they have weaknesses of AESA technology

      hallo sexy

      fyi f-2 was designed to sink ships first, not fighters.
      j-10b was designed as a fighter first

      also
      j-10b uses pesa, not aesa. this was confirmed by everyone except for the chicafans. they're still struggling with the development of fighter sized AESA
      f-2 is using a first gen aesa. Japan was the first to adopt a fighter sized AESA radar in the world (or second). they are planning to install a new second gen AESA.

      both have crap ranges and will likely sink into the ocean before meeting in the sky

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      • MadRat
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Aug 2006
        • 5033

        #4
        Compare things like cannon, navigation tools, HUDs, electrical capacity, ejection seat, helmet sights, individual hard point combination, canopy view, external fuel tanks, in-flight refueling options, etc. The F-2A will win pretty much across the board.
        Go Huskers!

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        • MSphere
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2010
          • 8983

          #5
          Frankly, I can't see how the F-2A wins this across the board.
          ACES II vs Baker 10, is that really a base for a comparison?

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          • Y-20 Bacon
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2013
            • 2176

            #6
            Originally posted by MSphere View Post
            ACES II vs Baker 10, is that really a base for a comparison?
            seeing as how both have range issues and this fight is likely over the seas and bingo fuel each other to death.. sure why not
            he who survives his crash lives another day to crash again.

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            • Rii
              Rii
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2010
              • 3449

              #7
              J-10B does not use WS-10 engine.

              As for who wins, why would you compare 1v1 when the cost ratio is probably 5:1 or better in favour of J-10B?

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              • Y-20 Bacon
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2013
                • 2176

                #8
                Originally posted by Rii View Post
                J-10B does not use WS-10 engine.

                As for who wins, why would you compare 1v1 when the cost ratio is probably 5:1 or better in favour of J-10B?
                what is the cost of the j-10b?

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                • Rii
                  Rii
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 3449

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
                  what is the cost of the j-10b?
                  A lot less than the $120m (2009 USD) unit cost of F-2.

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                  • Y-20 Bacon
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2013
                    • 2176

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Rii View Post
                    A lot less than the $120m (2009 USD) unit cost of F-2.
                    in other words you don't know. I couldn't find it, and I've a feeling neither can you.

                    2015 USD, the 12 billion yen F-2 is now $100m

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                    • Y-20 Bacon
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2013
                      • 2176

                      #11
                      this 2015 article estimates the J-10 is about 30 million
                      http://www.ibtimes.com/china-iran-we...-field-2042356
                      and that's the A version.
                      The B version is likely to be higher with that DSI, PESA, etc and low production rates
                      wouldn't be surprised if its 40-50 million USD
                      or 2 per 1 Mitsubishi F-2

                      hardly your 5 to 1 ratio

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                      • Rii
                        Rii
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 3449

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
                        in other words you don't know. I couldn't find it, and I've a feeling neither can you.
                        Of course I don't know. Nonetheless the point is beyond serious dispute. Costs for Japanese defense products are exorbitant even by western standards, whereas costs are much lower in China. And of course with the F-2 specifically one has to add the various license fees going to Lockheed Martin for use of the F-16 design.

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                        • Blitzo
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 1332

                          #13
                          The national interest website is not much better than a tabloid these days... and articles like this aren't really helping its reputation. I think most of the members here know how useless directly comparing two aircraft is, unless one is interested in a pissing contest.

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                          • latenlazy
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • May 2011
                            • 653

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
                            hallo sexy

                            fyi f-2 was designed to sink ships first, not fighters.
                            j-10b was designed as a fighter first

                            also
                            j-10b uses pesa, not aesa. this was confirmed by everyone except for the chicafans. they're still struggling with the development of fighter sized AESA
                            Well uh. This is awkward. The PESA news came from the "chicafans" and also disputed by the "chicafans". In other words, I don't know what confirmation you're talking about.

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                            • Y-20 Bacon
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2013
                              • 2176

                              #15
                              Originally posted by latenlazy View Post
                              Well uh. This is awkward. The PESA news came from the "chicafans" and also disputed by the "chicafans". In other words, I don't know what confirmation you're talking about.
                              you should do a search and look at all the older threads in this forum.

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                              • Blitzo
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Jan 2011
                                • 1332

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
                                you should do a search and look at all the older threads in this forum.
                                But key forums isn't really the go to resource for confirmation or denial of Chinese military developments, if that is the basis of your conclusion, it's a rather small and poorly representative sample

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                                • latenlazy
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • May 2011
                                  • 653

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
                                  you should do a search and look at all the older threads in this forum.
                                  Why? I not only know where the information showed up in this forum, but which other forums the information came from. I *traced* the source on this one back to the original Chinese military forum the information first showed up. Do recall that members of Sinodefence and China-Defence posting here are the only reasons people here even know what's going on with Chinese aerospace.
                                  Last edited by latenlazy; 23rd October 2015, 09:10.

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