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  • paralay
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Aug 2005
    • 1415

    #21
    The best option: Heavy multipurpose fighter Su-30 fighter, lightweight C-56, in a ratio of 1: 2

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    • Y-20 Bacon
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      • Apr 2013
      • 2176

      #22
      Originally posted by Aurel View Post
      Guess I should be more precise. I'd want the structural improvements and some of the new electronics of the Su-35S in a twinseater.

      The MKI is from the Irkut line of Flankers, with canards and the heavier front end.
      sounds like what you want is the former Su-35UB?



      I believe its a Knaapo bird.
      not sure if its based on the old Su-35 or the Su-30MKK or related to the Su-35S

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      • Flanker_man
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Jan 2000
        • 3680

        #23
        IIRC it was built by KnAAPO to give potential customers a ride in order to sell the old Su-35.

        The flight minus the canopy was done by a well wrapped up Evgenny Frolov and was used in the Russian-made film 'Mirror Wars'

        The ejection seat was fired on the ground (from a Su-27UB painted up double) - despite faked photos showing it in the air - note the blackened area behind the cockpit.

        The Su-27UB double for the film now languishes on the Sukhoi ramp at Zhukovsky........ (note the different fin tips)



        Ken
        Last edited by Flanker_man; 16th October 2015, 10:28.
        Flanker Freak & Russian Aviation Enthusiast.
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        • MSphere
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2010
          • 8983

          #24
          Originally posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
          sounds like what you want is the former Su-35UB?
          I believe its a Knaapo bird.
          not sure if its based on the old Su-35 or the Su-30MKK or related to the Su-35S
          It is based on the old Su-35, right. It has nothing to do with Su-30MKK which has only inherited the wet fins from the Su-35. There is no other commonality.
          It's not related in any way to the Su-35S, AFAIK.

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          • MadRat
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Aug 2006
            • 5033

            #25
            It's hard to pick anything over Su-35S.
            Go Huskers!

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            • Y-20 Bacon
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2013
              • 2176

              #26
              Originally posted by Flanker_man View Post
              IIRC it was built by KnAAPO to give potential customers a ride in order to sell the old Su-35.

              The flight minus the canopy was done by a well wrapped up Evgenny Frolov and was used in the Russian-made film 'Mirror Wars'

              The ejection seat was fired on the ground (from a Su-27UB painted up double) - despite faked photos showing it in the air - note the blackened area behind the cockpit.

              The Su-27UB double for the film now languishes on the Sukhoi ramp at Zhukovsky........ (note the different fin tips)

              Ken
              do you know why they changed it from the square tip to clip tip?

              and since you're the biggest flanker fan here, which would you personally choose if you had to consolidate on one type to do all roles?

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              • Y-20 Bacon
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2013
                • 2176

                #27
                Originally posted by MadRat View Post
                It's hard to pick anything over Su-35S.
                I'm guessing those who chose the Su-30SM/MKI series feel strongly about the need for 2 seaters for the role of strike. To be honest, does the RuAF intend to integrate more A2G abilities to the Su-35S? some one inform me because it seems to me that it is intended for a air superiority role

                I'll play devil's advocate and argue Su-34.
                its obviously aimed towards strike, maritime, strike etc. but it still maintains some ability for air missions like the ability to use R-77



                although it'll vary from country to country, most countries don't do much air to air beyond air policing and intercepting airplanes out of airspace. strike however, especially if that country is in some coalition/alliance, is likely to be used when things get hot.

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                • hjelpekokk
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 82

                  #28
                  Originally posted by MadRat View Post
                  It's hard to pick anything over Su-35S.
                  Nope, not hard at all! Personally I would off course pick SU-34. Its the only fighter with a toilet, and u can even lay down and take an nap on the floor between the seats. And if you get hungry, u can cook dinner in the kitchen. So when we all fly together in formation in our SU, I will laugh of you all when you start complaining about need to go to the bath rom, so hungry and so so tired :-P

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                  • MadRat
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 5033

                    #29
                    #1 It's a myth about the toilet.
                    #2 Learn what is a piddypack.
                    Go Huskers!

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                    • Malcolm_Tucker
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Sep 2013
                      • 32

                      #30
                      Originally posted by MadRat View Post
                      #1 It's a myth about the toilet.
                      #2 Learn what is a piddypack.
                      Yes but bottled lemon juice and toilet are just incomparable. True you can do all those things in SU-30/Su-35S but hes talking about comfort and here Su-34 wins

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                      • MSphere
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 8983

                        #31
                        Originally posted by hjelpekokk View Post
                        Nope, not hard at all! Personally I would off course pick SU-34. Its the only fighter with a toilet, and u can even lay down and take an nap on the floor between the seats. And if you get hungry, u can cook dinner in the kitchen. So when we all fly together in formation in our SU, I will laugh of you all when you start complaining about need to go to the bath rom, so hungry and so so tired :-P
                        There is no toilet or kitchen, it's not a bomber.. But they got a large piddle-pack.. and a thermo flask for tea, coffee or something else

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                        I don't think there is enough room to take a nap, but you can step out the seat to stretch legs..

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                        • hjelpekokk
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 82

                          #32
                          Originally posted by MSphere View Post
                          There is no toilet or kitchen, it's not a bomber.. But they got a large piddle-pack.. and a thermo flask for tea, coffee or something else

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                          I don't think there is enough room to take a nap, but you can step out the seat to stretch legs..

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                          Oh now, your facts destroyed a good story :-( But anyway, there is room, so I would install a toilett and an microwave oven my self there :-D

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                          • MSphere
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 8983

                            #33
                            Originally posted by hjelpekokk View Post
                            Oh now, your facts destroyed a good story :-( But anyway, there is room, so I would install a toilett and an microwave oven my self there :-D
                            There's certainly enough room for a microwave. But, as good as it is, the endurance of this bird simply does not justify such move, methinks..

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                            • Y-20 Bacon
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2013
                              • 2176

                              #34
                              Originally posted by hjelpekokk View Post
                              Oh now, your facts destroyed a good story :-( But anyway, there is room, so I would install a toilett and an microwave oven my self there :-D
                              no need for room, just build it into the seat


                              although I think this Chinese model is intended for squatting, not sitting on the seat.

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                              • Flanker_man
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Jan 2000
                                • 3680

                                #35
                                Originally posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
                                do you know why they changed it from the square tip to clip tip?
                                They didn't - there are two different aircraft....

                                The original Su-35UB with square-tipped fins and the Su-27UB with raked fins that was painted up to look like the Su-35UB for the Mirror-Wars film and ejection sequence.

                                and since you're the biggest flanker fan here, which would you personally choose if you had to consolidate on one type to do all roles?
                                Probably the canard/TVC Su-30MKI/MKM - although for deck landing it has to be a Su-33 (upgraded to Su-35S standard)

                                Ken
                                Flanker Freak & Russian Aviation Enthusiast.
                                Flankers (& others) website at :-
                                http://flankers.co.uk/

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                                • BarnesW
                                  Senior Member
                                  • Aug 2015
                                  • 503

                                  #36
                                  Originally posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
                                  Scenario:

                                  Lets say an air force, rather than buying specific type of aircraft for dedicated roles, wants to consolidate on one type to be used for multiple roles i.e. air policing, strike, maritime strike, etc (the way things are going). It prefers to use Flankers for whatever reason (think malaysia, Indonesia, Algeria, etc), which would you consolidate with?

                                  Su-34
                                  Su-35
                                  Su-30SM/30MKI
                                  Mig-29M (why the hell not, its becoming a flanker now)
                                  I would cheat and say Su-50.

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                                  • Y-20 Bacon
                                    Senior Member
                                    • Apr 2013
                                    • 2176

                                    #37
                                    Originally posted by Flanker_man View Post
                                    They didn't - there are two different aircraft....

                                    The original Su-35UB with square-tipped fins and the Su-27UB with raked fins that was painted up to look like the Su-35UB for the Mirror-Wars film and ejection sequence.



                                    Probably the canard/TVC Su-30MKI/MKM - although for deck landing it has to be a Su-33 (upgraded to Su-35S standard)

                                    Ken
                                    thanks and sorry i misread your previous post. I wonder if there are any plans to make a two seater Su-35S

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                                    • Y-20 Bacon
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Apr 2013
                                      • 2176

                                      #38
                                      Originally posted by BarnesW View Post
                                      I would cheat and say Su-50.
                                      no such thing as an Su-50

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                                      • TR1
                                        TR1
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                                        • Oct 2010
                                        • 9821

                                        #39
                                        Originally posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
                                        I wonder if there are any plans to make a two seater Su-35S
                                        There are not.
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