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  • Y-20 Bacon
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2013
    • 2176

    If you could only choose one Flanker type..

    Scenario:

    Lets say an air force, rather than buying specific type of aircraft for dedicated roles, wants to consolidate on one type to be used for multiple roles i.e. air policing, strike, maritime strike, etc (the way things are going). It prefers to use Flankers for whatever reason (think malaysia, Indonesia, Algeria, etc), which would you consolidate with?

    Su-34
    Su-35
    Su-30SM/30MKI
    Mig-29M (why the hell not, its becoming a flanker now)
  • alexz
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Nov 2010
    • 325

    #2
    Originally posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
    Scenario:

    Lets say an air force, rather than buying specific type of aircraft for dedicated roles, wants to consolidate on one type to be used for multiple roles i.e. air policing, strike, maritime strike, etc (the way things are going). It prefers to use Flankers for whatever reason (think malaysia, Indonesia, Algeria, etc), which would you consolidate with?

    Su-34
    Su-35
    Su-30SM/30MKI
    Mig-29M (why the hell not, its becoming a flanker now)
    For multi role, it is good to have 2 pairs of eyes in the aircraft. So the best imo would be the SM/MKA/MKM/MKI variant.

    If simplicity and cost is paramount, go the vietnamese way, with the MK2.

    Their operational costs might be higher than something like the f-16 or jf-17, but with long operational radius, flankers stationed at 1 airbase could easily cover a country as large as, say Argentina or south africa

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    • MSphere
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2010
      • 8983

      #3
      I'd take the SM as the good allrounder

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      • mig-31bm
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Oct 2013
        • 2140

        #4
        su-35S

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        • sheytanelkebir
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Feb 2013
          • 783

          #5
          Depends on country size.

          For larger country su30sm
          For smaller country mig35

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          • Aurel
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Oct 2003
            • 1178

            #6
            If I'm a poor dictator: new built MiG-29 SMT
            If I'm a rich dictator: Let KnAAPO pimp a Su-30MK with Su-35 tech. Call it the Su-30MKPimp

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            • Nicolas10
              Senior Member
              • May 2005
              • 4523

              #7
              Love that idea of Su30-MKP

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              • F/A-XX
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Apr 2011
                • 206

                #8
                Don't know why you say the Fulcrum is becoming a Flanker. The former finally achieving a decent range still doesn't turn it into a significantly larger aircraft.

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                • Rii
                  Rii
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 3449

                  #9
                  I'll take Su-35 upgraded with MiG-35/T-50 tech goodies e.g. AESA please.

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                  • obligatory
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 7043

                    #10
                    the number of Flanker variants are dizzying, i cant keep track on them,
                    its a good testimony to a solid design tho, my favorite is the naval variant

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                    • Y-20 Bacon
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2013
                      • 2176

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Aurel View Post
                      If I'm a poor dictator: new built MiG-29 SMT
                      If I'm a rich dictator: Let KnAAPO pimp a Su-30MK with Su-35 tech. Call it the Su-30MKPimp
                      isnt that pretty much the indian Su-30MKI upgrade?

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                      • Kopyo-21
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 212

                        #12
                        Su-30M2 with strengthen fusalage for Brahmos-A missile, Irbis-E radar, Litening 5, TRF/Flir pod AN/AAQ-13, ECM pods, L-150-16M RWR/ELINT complex, LWR and MAWS.

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                        • mikoyan
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 151

                          #13
                          Su-30 SM, nothing comes closer

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                          • Berkut
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2011
                            • 2216

                            #14
                            Originally posted by mikoyan View Post
                            Su-30 SM, nothing comes closer
                            Growing pains aside, what exactly can Su-30SM do that Su-35S can't? Su-35S can do everything Su-30SM can and better.

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                            • mikoyan
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 151

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Berkut View Post
                              Growing pains aside, what exactly can Su-30SM do that Su-35S can't? Su-35S can do everything Su-30SM can and better.
                              The first and hugely important in nowadays battlespace (sensor fusion bs story aside) it`s that you have two lucky dudes operating the machine

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                              • Aurel
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Oct 2003
                                • 1178

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
                                isnt that pretty much the indian Su-30MKI upgrade?
                                Guess I should be more precise. I'd want the structural improvements and some of the new electronics of the Su-35S in a twinseater.

                                The MKI is from the Irkut line of Flankers, with canards and the heavier front end.

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                                • JSR
                                  JSR
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Aug 2011
                                  • 4976

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by mikoyan View Post
                                  The first and hugely important in nowadays battlespace (sensor fusion bs story aside) it`s that you have two lucky dudes operating the machine
                                  Its information overload for single pilot. i would not let drive a car for extended period talking on phone and looking at various screens.

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                                  • verbatim
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Aug 2010
                                    • 261

                                    #18
                                    Depending on the way the Su-30SM cockpit could actually be reconfigured, I would say the two crew cockpit gives the option to derive higly specialized subvariants, as antiship warfare, Wild Weasel/SEAD, long range patrolling, even search for opportuniy targets in CAS/COIN scenario.

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                                    • haavarla
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Dec 2008
                                      • 6699

                                      #19
                                      The Su--35s is not yet fit for combat deployment.
                                      The first Su-35S regiment was Stationed at Dzemgi AB near KNAAZ due to extensiv service needs.
                                      In short it need to mature, get better and more stable software running.
                                      So yes I would for now pick the Su-30SM.
                                      Thanks

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                                      • Freehand
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • May 2012
                                        • 986

                                        #20
                                        Su-37, upgraded from it's original 1996 configuration.

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