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  • sukhoi30mki
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Sep 2009
    • 1

    Sukhoi 35 on offer to Pakistan....How true ? and does it make sense

    Hi Fellas, just came across a link which states that Russia would consider selling the 35 Super Flanker to Pakistan....does it make sense ?, because if the Russians do, it would loose out on a very big customer i.e. India

    1. The PaK-Fa, Sukhoi T-50 could loose steam

    2. Up-gradation of the Mig-29 warplanes sold earlier to India could loose steam

    3. India has agreed to purchase 200 Kamov-226T Helicopters from Russia, a Billion dollar
    deal, future deals like this / mid-life upgradation of the Indian 226T will be effected
    negatively.

    4. Co-Development of the Hypersonic version of the Brahmos could loose steam...
  • JSR
    JSR
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Aug 2011
    • 4976

    #2
    These are the cheapest and most effective products for money. India is not some engineering power that other countries are lining up for complex hardware co development with India.

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    • vikasrehman
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Apr 2004
      • 1763

      #3
      Originally posted by JSR View Post
      These are the cheapest and most effective products for money. India is not some engineering power that other countries are lining up for complex hardware co development with India.
      India, Russia and Pakistan are simply looking into diversifying their bases. For some products, they have to rely on their traditional suppliers whilst for others they could look elsewhere. For whatever reason. It's no longer going to be because we buy from you, therefore you cannot supply to them. Having said this, this news item is nothing more than pressure tactics/water testing for now.
      Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also believes to be true. Demosthenes

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      • Aurel
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Oct 2003
        • 1178

        #4
        There is no risk for Russia to lose sales in India. Indians get b!tch slapped over and over again by say Dassault, and still are hellbent to throw money at them. So, why should the Russians treat them differently ?

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        • Freehand
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • May 2012
          • 986

          #5
          If the Russians want to keep Su-35 engine technology out of Chinese hands, selling the Su-35 to Pakistan is not the way to do it.

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          • Captain Ouuf
            Rank 4 Registered User
            • Apr 2015
            • 90

            #6
            Originally posted by Freehand View Post
            If the Russians want to keep Su-35 engine technology out of Chinese hands, selling the Su-35 to Pakistan is not the way to do it.
            The composition of the metal is not something that can be figured out. It is an alien secret. Nazis got it when they traveled to Tibet and got the ancient Sanskrit texts. Then the US, Russia, Britain, France got it from the texts after WW2.

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            • Jessmo23
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2015
              • 572

              #7
              Nonsense the Chinese can figure out anything. I mean they have an exact copy of the F-119 right?

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              • haavarla
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Dec 2008
                • 6695

                #8
                Wrong.
                Thanks

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                • Jessmo23
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2015
                  • 572

                  #9
                  No haavarla. The Chinese are the best at everything, because they are Chinese right?

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                  • haavarla
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 6695

                    #10
                    if you are being sarcastic, pls throw in some smileys.. makes it easier to tell.
                    Thanks

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                    • TooCool_12f
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 3321

                      #11
                      Seems to be anyway

                      Over 20 uears after they started copying the CFM56, the chinese copies were nowhere near the reliability and durability, compared to the original, because they still did know how to make the materials used in them

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                      • obligatory
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 7043

                        #12
                        Japs began copying substandard cars, it took them 30 years to become the masters
                        perhaps Chinks takes the same route ?

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                        • PLA-MKII
                          Senior Member
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 1649

                          #13
                          Tut tut... Where has the discussion branched off to? BTW don't think "Chinks" would be appreciated by our Chinese colleagues. Its a bit like "Japs", "Niggers", "Limeys" and "Yanks".

                          Pakistan never plays games in her procurement, they are always very serious and focused on their purchases. I can't remember a time when they pretended to purchase something just to dig politics.

                          Its probably the reason they are very seriously taken even though they don't have deep pockets. They are known for decisive, sometimes fast purchases.

                          This particular purchase makes a lot of sense for maritime reasons: would significantly restrict the Indian CBG while compensating for abysmal ship based AD.

                          That, I think is the main reason for considering the purchase. Incidentally, they could also prove to be the best antidote for the Rafale and for having more political clout in the ME.

                          I wish Bangladesh could purchase Su35s, but would be happy with JH7Bs.

                          I think the stumbling point is that PAF would want Chinese/varied munitions. This would be cost prohibitive to integrate. Buying the frame from Russia and avionics / weapons from China (Chinese radar), would be very complicated and prone to bugs.

                          So, two possible choices are there - Chinese radar and weapons or integration of 3-4 Chinese/Pakistani weapons such as the CM400AKG, C802, RAAD, sd10/PL15.

                          Another sticking point would be what goodies it comes with such as R27s... LRAAM.

                          If these sticking points can be resolved and the price is right, we could see 20-36 Su35s within this decade.

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                          • Austin
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Oct 2003
                            • 6475

                            #14
                            Asad Hashim ‏@AsadHashim Sep 10 ( Reuters Journalist ) https://twitter.com/AsadHashim/statu...44092600291328

                            According to the PAF, reports that Pakistan is getting Su-35's from Russia has no basis in reality. No contracts, no negotiations.
                            "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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