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  • topspeed
    Get on uppah !
    • Jan 2009
    • 2660

    Rockwell-MBB X-31

    What was the result of this ?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockwe...tor_X-31-1.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockwell-MBB_X-31
    Last edited by topspeed; 15th September 2015, 15:41.
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  • topspeed
    Get on uppah !
    • Jan 2009
    • 2660

    #2
    I tested in MS FSX....and I like it.
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    • topspeed
      Get on uppah !
      • Jan 2009
      • 2660

      #3
      Isn't this almost a spitting image of it ?

      http://defence-blog.com/news/iran-or...hter-jets.html

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      • topspeed
        Get on uppah !
        • Jan 2009
        • 2660

        #4
        And this even.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Lavi

        Lavi...what a sight.

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        • MadRat
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Aug 2006
          • 5033

          #5
          Actually it gave validity to post stall super maneuverability and used a layout similar to the EF. Without constant nose corrections it's nose would flip up and over instantly.
          Go Huskers!

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          • Y-20 Bacon
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2013
            • 2176

            #6
            Originally posted by topspeed View Post
            Isn't this almost a spitting image of it ?

            http://defence-blog.com/news/iran-or...hter-jets.html

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            well the Chinese did get an extensive look at the Lavi


            then they made their own in the early 90s



            but had to modify the design extensively because they could only get Russian engines.

            this just looks right

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            • topspeed
              Get on uppah !
              • Jan 2009
              • 2660

              #7
              Originally posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
              well the Chinese did get an extensive look at the Lavi


              then they made their own in the early 90s


              but had to modify the design extensively because they could only get Russian engines.

              this just looks right
              J-10 flew 1998 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-10 and IAI Lavi 12 years earlier 1986; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Lavi

              So you are right.

              Actually X-31 flew in 1990 and Eurofighter 4 years after; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon

              I figure J-10 and Typhoon can supercruise.

              When was the original concept first introduced/patented ?
              Last edited by topspeed; 16th September 2015, 07:46.
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              • Broccoli
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Jul 2012
                • 272

                #8
                Instead of super maneuverable fighter someone should design VLO light interceptor (composite sledge no need to tolerate high g's) what is designed to carry 3x BVRAAM's as it's armament. No cannon since it would only add weight.

                It would be beautiful like F-104 Starfighter.
                Last edited by Broccoli; 16th September 2015, 12:54.

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                • topspeed
                  Get on uppah !
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 2660

                  #9
                  Originally posted by MadRat View Post
                  Actually it gave validity to post stall super maneuverability and used a layout similar to the EF. Without constant nose corrections it's nose would flip up and over instantly.
                  Might be....the FSX model was pretty easy to fly at 10 kts speed 70 degs nose up.

                  --

                  One thing bugs me...the X-31 goes 1.28 M but similar engine Gripen Mach 2.0 ?

                  Why does the X-31 have cranked-delta wing ? Does that cause the stability ?

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                  What are those underneath the wing ?
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                  • Duggy
                    Flight SIM Pilot
                    • Mar 2012
                    • 1134

                    #10
                    Thrust Vectoring In The Real World LINK- http://www.codeonemagazine.com/article.html?item_id=163
                    A very good article.
                    "James Sergeant was the lead flight test engineer for the F-16 MATV program and is now a lead flight test engineer for the F-35 program."

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                    • SpudmanWP
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 5292

                      #11
                      Originally posted by topspeed View Post
                      What are those underneath the wing ?
                      Bombs...

                      just kidding.. they are the elevon tandem hydraulic actuators.

                      Last edited by SpudmanWP; 16th September 2015, 16:17.
                      "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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                      • swerve
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Jun 2005
                        • 13610

                        #12
                        Originally posted by topspeed View Post
                        Actually X-31 flew in 1990 and Eurofighter 4 years after; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon
                        Yes, but the EAP technology demonstrator which was the forerunner to Eurofighter flew in 1986.
                        Juris praecepta sunt haec: honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere.
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                        • frankvw
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                          • Jan 2000
                          • 6347

                          #13
                          Originally posted by topspeed View Post
                          Might be....the FSX model was pretty easy to fly at 10 kts speed 70 degs nose up.

                          --

                          One thing bugs me...the X-31 goes 1.28 M but similar engine Gripen Mach 2.0 ?
                          Who cares ? It was a research craft in the field of supermanoevrability. Why would they bother design an inlet that works up to Mach 2 ?

                          Why does the X-31 have cranked-delta wing ? Does that cause the stability ?





                          What are those underneath the wing ?
                          As said earlier, actuator fairings.
                          Regards,

                          Frank

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                          • topspeed
                            Get on uppah !
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 2660

                            #14
                            Originally posted by frankvw View Post
                            Who cares ? It was a research craft in the field of supermanoevrability. Why would they bother design an inlet that works up to Mach 2 ?



                            As said earlier, actuator fairings.
                            Right it was not designed to go any faster.

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1E3xpePbmA
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                            • topspeed
                              Get on uppah !
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 2660

                              #15
                              Originally posted by swerve View Post
                              Yes, but the EAP technology demonstrator which was the forerunner to Eurofighter flew in 1986.

                              That is the same year as the first flite for the IAI Lavi.

                              ---

                              In fact 5 months earlier; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Aerospace_EAP

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                              • Stony
                                Long haired,tatooed idiot
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 317

                                #16
                                Did see one of the X-31's demonstrate at Le Bourget once. Was impressive!
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                                • wezgulf3
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Feb 2012
                                  • 8

                                  #17
                                  The landing has always impressed me

                                  https://youtu.be/iPHGf24Mnis?t=3

                                  Wes..

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                                  • Robbiesmurf
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Jul 2014
                                    • 587

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by topspeed View Post
                                    One thing bugs me...the X-31 goes 1.28 M but similar engine Gripen Mach 2.0 ?
                                    Frontal area? Think F4J or F4M...

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                                    • topspeed
                                      Get on uppah !
                                      • Jan 2009
                                      • 2660

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by wezgulf3 View Post
                                      The landing has always impressed me

                                      https://youtu.be/iPHGf24Mnis?t=3

                                      Wes..
                                      This is unpresedented too; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA8QXenJzgA
                                      If it looks good, it will fly good !
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                                      • topspeed
                                        Get on uppah !
                                        • Jan 2009
                                        • 2660

                                        #20
                                        What actually was the first canard + delta wing fighter ?

                                        Kfir was introduced in 1973....and now being fitted with AESA radar ?

                                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Kfir

                                        -----------

                                        Swedes possibly with Viggen J-37 ?

                                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_37_Viggen

                                        Introduced in 1971.
                                        Last edited by topspeed; 19th September 2015, 07:43. Reason: typo
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