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    IAF claimed to have knocked out those Syrian and Iranians Anti-air systems..
    Guess time will tell.
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      Tip-off received on Al-Nusra, White Helmets plotting chemical weapons provocation in Syria – Moscow
      "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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        In other words, Russia and Assad planning another attack and pre-empting the narrative.

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          Mercurius, I think he intend to say that there has not been further actions in the days after the one in question.

          So one part say to have caused incredible havoc and the other replies that the damage was instead quite limited and given that in the ME everyone lie as there will no tomorrow and the two states in question are champions in this sport, let's stick to the very few facts we are certain of.

          Despite all the media rumor of this one, there have been further engagements between the two, the most of them last year after the Air defence network was revamped, thanks to russian and iranian assistance but above all thank to the liberation of large part of Syrian territory thanks to the SAA,NDF and Hezb victories.
          Making a simple sum, if I would believe to the reports of just one part, at this rate (I follow conflict day by day by the times of the battle of Al Qusayr, so I have missed no one of them) the IAF would have destroyed the Syrian Air defence four or five times according to their own declarations, while according to the one of Syrians, Israel would have gone bankrupt for the numbers of PGM they claim to have intercepted.

          P.S. Said so, I gave a good credibility rating to the reports I have published in post #7267 (otherwise I would have published them a la va sans dire): they come from sources on the ground and not from centralized propaganda outlet, Fire Brigate one report precisely damages and life lost (RIP to both) and let us guess between the lines of their not military language what type of missiles the regiment was equipped with i.e. Pantsir.
          Last edited by Marcellogo; 13th February 2018, 14:43.

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            Originally posted by ActionJackson
            In other words, Russia and Assad planning another attack and pre-empting the narrative.
            Yes, absolutely.. that is exactly what you usually do when you're winning.. plan chlorine gas attacks serving no tactical purpose.. and then you even announce them in advance.. makes sense, totally..
            Last edited by MSphere; 13th February 2018, 17:55.

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              It was hit over Northern Israel near the cockpit close to the village of Harduf (~7 miles north of Ramat David AB). Report of the crew. The pilot was wounded and started the ejection immideately no time left for report. The second F-16I, was able to avoid the blast.
              That triggert the response to the Syrian AD, when further action was stopped by a phone call of Putin. Source Jerusalem Post
              See the CHAIN OF EVENTS given by bring_it_on
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                https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-...iefs-1.5808981
                Here are some details.

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                  I am surprised.. Thought the jet was crippled over Syrian territory and somehow got back to Israel before it went down. But shooting down an IDF jet 50 km deep into Israeli territory, that's a quite different story..
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                    https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-...iefs-1.5808981
                    https://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/...1039061432.jpg
                    Here are the remains of a Syrian SAM at Alonei Abba/Israel, just 4 miles north of Ramat David AB. The F-16I crashed near Harduf/Israel just 7 miles north of Ramat David AB. The F-16I used stand-off weaponary from height The debriefing showed the F-16s were surprised on the way home over Israel.
                    http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Co...n-Syria-542191
                    http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Co...an-fire-542395
                    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Isr...lled-us-542346

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                      That are the remains of a Syrian SAM 3 in Kaoukaba/Lebanon around 9 miles north of Metulla/Israel. Foto: ZYAD SHOUFI/EPA-EFE/REX/Shutterstock
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                        I wonder if Iron Dome can intercept SAMS?
                        "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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                          @Sens

                          A S-125? Less than 4 miles from Ramat David? Wow!
                          That's a blast!

                          And they said it was a SA-17 instead?
                          A trailer or a C&C vehicle or instead just a maskirovka maquette as someone looking at released video said?

                          Let's allow me to state that reading all these report together made me sure of just one thing: they are still in a state of self-denial about what happened.
                          So they try, I don't know if willingly or as a mental reflex, to present things as they were fatalities, dirty tricks from the enemies, human errors etc, etc, etc.

                          As a paradox if what they say as a form of self denial would be true that would result in a whole s...load of bad news for them.

                          10.000ft too high of a quote for engage Syrian air defences?
                          20 missiles of three different types getting all together on the same target of opportunity, making part of a strike package of 8 planes?
                          Just near your own main base in the north of the country?

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                            Anti-aircraft complexes repulsed the attack

                            https://iz.ru/707929/aleksei-ramm-ni...otrazili-ataku
                            As Izvestiya was told by a source in the Syrian General Staff, on February 10, the air defense forces of the country had to repel a massive attack using air-launched cruise missiles. The main targets of the Syrian antiaircraft guns were not aircraft, but air-to-surface missiles launched outside the country's airspace. This information was confirmed to representatives of the Russian military department and the military-industrial complex.

                            "As a result of the first raid, eight of the 11 Israeli missiles were destroyed, and the second attack of seven missiles killed five," the Syrian officer explained. - The only airplane that entered the airspace of the country was shot down by our anti-aircraft missile system.


                            The interlocutor of "Izvestia", however, refused to specify exactly how the SAM was hit by the multipurpose F-16I Sufa fighter that fell on the territory of Israel. He also did not confirm or deny the information that it was a S-200 SAM, but noted that during the raid on February 10, all Syrian calculations operated independently.
                            According to the officer, this would not have been achieved without the assistance of Russian specialists who restored the technical readiness of the S-125, S-200 and Buk anti-aircraft missile systems, and also re-trained the Syrian military.

                            The February 10 incident was not the first in the last few days. This was reported to Izvestiya by a source in the General Staff of Syria, information was confirmed by interlocutors in the Russian military department.

                            - On February 7, the Israeli Air Force aircraft violated Syria's state border and launched eight air-to-surface missiles at the building of the National Science Center in the city of Salamia in the province of Khama, the Izvestia source said. - Then the missiles were destroyed by the "Pantsir-S", S-200 and "Buk" complexes. The remaining two fell in the area of ​​the National Science Center, without causing significant damage.

                            According to Israeli Defense Ministry officials, the situation worsened after around four o'clock in the morning on Saturday, February 10, the Israeli military spotted an Iranian drone flying from Jordan. The reconnaissance UAV was intercepted by the attack helicopter Apache. The Israeli Air Force launched an air raid to destroy the station for controlling the drone. She was in the depths of Syria in the desert - not far from the city of Palmyra.

                            During the raid the Syrian air defense forces resisted stubbornly. One of the Israeli F-16I Sufa was shot down by an anti-aircraft missile (presumably, the S-200 complex), but the pilot and the weapon operator had time to catapult. One of the crew was seriously injured. This was the first since 2006, the case of the destruction of the Israeli aircraft with enemy fire.

                            As former Lieutenant-General Alexander Gorkov, commander of the anti-aircraft missile forces of the Russian Federation, told Izvestiya that the air defense of the Arab Republic showed high efficiency in repelling the attacks on February 7 and 10.

                            - Israel used to strike cruise missiles. These are very complex goals, performing a flight at a low altitude, "the expert said. - To intercept them, not only prepared calculations are required, but also centralized, as well as a high level of management. Of the 26 targets, it was intercepted 19. It turns out that the Syrian air defense demonstrated an efficiency close to 0.8. And this is a very high figure.

                            All in all, Syria's air defense forces have eight divisions of S-200 air defense systems, supplied from the USSR, and about 20 Buk complexes of various modifications. The last major batch of eight "Bukov" versions of M2E was transferred to Damascus in 2011. "Buk" air defense system allows to hit air targets at a range from 3 to 45 km and at altitudes from 15 m to 25 km.
                            "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                              I wonder if anything can be done to the S-200 to increase target engagement capacity. The only fix i know of is to have new engagement radar and use the 5N62 as CW illuminator instead.

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                                Oh my, ypu try to compare what reported by Sens with what was written by Izvestia and reported by Austin and you get everything and the contrary of everything ...

                                Let's add my own contribution of reports from 150th AD regiment and I think only possible explanation is that all those report from the ground describe just one facet of a protracted air battle involving different locations.

                                So Sens report both the findings of missiles in Israel &Lebanon that the (quite discording) version from their press, Russians describe what happened in T4 only (hence the attribution of the downing to S-200) where they have troops, people of Suweida just what happened at their own air base.
                                Sum them up and you still will not get a coherent picture but surely some more hints about how things went.
                                Last edited by Marcellogo; 14th February 2018, 14:27.

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                                  SpudmanWP
                                  I wonder if Iron Dome can intercept SAMS?
                                  Israel explains Arrow intercept of Syrian SAM

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                                    Here is the link....

                                    Israel explains Arrow intercept of Syrian SAM

                                    https://www.defensenews.com/land/201...of-syrian-sam/

                                    Time to deploy Arrow/IronDome on the Northeastern border?
                                    Last edited by SpudmanWP; 14th February 2018, 16:37.
                                    "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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                                      the point is Arrow/Iron dome cant deal effectively with this problem SA2 is used merely light up airdefences while rest of more mobile sams for actual work.

                                      Advanced SAMs are sold in Middleast and I am sure they will observe flight patterns of Israel airforce like what kind of weopons are under F-16 wings. It is far easy to modernize SAM network than fighter. plus countries that operate aircraft similar to Israel
                                      https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20...issile-system/
                                      Russia: Egypt received anti-ballistic missile system

                                      The Russian official pointed out Egyptian experts are currently being trained to operate the system adding that negotiations are currently underway to send additional patches the Sputnik news agency reported.
                                      https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...des-syrian-war
                                      Egypt Picks Sides in the Syrian War

                                      than there is MIG29SM. easily most acceleration fighter, every one can maintain it whether its Serbian/Iranian or Chinese. so quantity of MIG29S can easily be boosted in Syria. the stronger the radar network the more effective MIG29S for interception. there is always Kh31PM for dealing with SAMs.

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                                        A SAM cannot tell what kind of weapon a fighter has on the wing.
                                        "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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                                          that is 1960s and 70s when SAM barely has range of 20km and radars were primitive
                                          integrating strategic SAM to the whole country level protection from all kind of threats (even Civilian airline traffic and UAV) and training thousands of people to maintain and operate it. that SAM get constant updates both in hardware and software to deal with emerging threats. the host country will have great confidence in long term viability of the supplying nation for implementing such complex project.
                                          it is constant high level meetings. by this Russian will have good idea about Rafale and other exported equipment in region that fly around.

                                          http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsCont...n-with-Ru.aspx

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