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  • haavarla
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    Its pretty obvious the the high tech part is not airframe or propulsion. Its the parts inside. The way the attack was planed.
    Besides.. you do not under ANY circumstance put any "signatur" on such Drones that could be traced back to the suppliers. Would be pretty stupid.

    Me- i suspect the Moseltov branch more than anyone.
    Thanks

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    • Austin
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      Seems the goal is more political than military to create rift and tension between Iran Turkey with Russia on Syria issue , the tell tale signature would lead one to believe it came from Turkey and attaching High Value Asset of Russia in Syria would be the perfect storm FIA would want to create
      "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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      • soyuz1917
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        It did come from Turkey just like all those MRAPS the Iblid rebels have been driving around in in all the videos this week. $100-200k MRAPS dont magically appear out of nowhere and the same is true of factory made ordinance. The explosives in those drones were not cooked up in a bathtub. They were made in a state owned factory.

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        • JSR
          JSR
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          >high-tech equipment was used.
          >literally tape and RC plane parts.

          K. And if you knew so much - how come security forces didnt stop it before the fact?
          they want to catch the drones to see what really is coming. you still not catching the nonstop entertainment of displaying captured drones.

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          • Y-20 Bacon
            Senior Member

            RUSSIA blames UKRAINE for drone attack

            https://www.unian.info/world/2341293...-in-syria.html

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            • stealthflanker
              Rank 5 Registered User

              He only mention that the explosive also got manufactured in Ukrainian plant. I see no real accusation there.

              Plus i think PETN also used in Air to Air missile warhead. so.. those rebels could get hand from it too.

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              • Austin
                Rank 5 Registered User

                RESULTS OF THE SPECIAL OPERATION IN SYRIA

                "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                • Austin
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                  Russia’s revenge: MoD says all Jihadis involved in drone attack on Russian bases have been killed
                  "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                  • RpR
                    RpR
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                    I wonder if the U.S. military rules of engagement change in Afghanistan , outside of president who does not consider Islamists to be Junior Varsity, have not changed partly because the Russians in Syria put few limits on their boys with major results?

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                    • TR1
                      TR1
                      http://tiny.cc/tp8kd

                      Typical Syria mission load:

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                      • stealthflanker
                        Rank 5 Registered User

                        can use something bigger XD

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                        • Marcellogo
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                          Actually they seems to have the reverse problem a they lack small size guided weaponss to be used in close proximity of friend forces or for avoid case of overkill (Iran-made drones have them instead).
                          They have made a big use of OFAB 250/270, only in rare cases however you would see the Cold War era 6 bombs racks.
                          That's because they operate in an opposite way to the JDAM inflation spoiled coalition.
                          While they start(ed) from faraway bases, pass all over Iraq and attack pre-designated locations as their fighters were B-17 in disguise, Russians start from close locations (for Palmyra Deir-el-Zour operations they relocated choppers and relatively short legged Su-25 in Homs governatorate airbases) and usually keep their planes over SAA operation zones ready to answer to aid calls by ground troops or to engage "on the run" targets discovered in the meanwhile by their (or their allies) UAV/SF.
                          Given that their aiming devices give them now enough precision to engage a target with a single bomb instead of a whole rack, better for them to carry more fuel possible and stay on operation zone more time than to have more bombs for with they have no use and above all leaving troops without air cover.

                          Even in this way there are several footages of Su-24 and Flankers landing back with an odd bomb still on their pylons, meaning it was an half empty day and they doesn't had need to use all their weaponry.
                          Last edited by Marcellogo; 19th January 2018, 11:18.

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                          • haavarla
                            Rank 5 Registered User

                            Pls stop it Marcello.. you just makes too much sense for this thread..

                            According to the usual suspects, every VKS pilot performing CAS in Syria, is dropping their payload with a blindfold..
                            Thanks

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                            • Levsha
                              Rank 5 Registered User

                              It's not a whole lot is it? Compared to say an F-105 in the Vietnam War era - or even an F-100?

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                              • JSR
                                JSR
                                Rank 5 Registered User

                                Syrian operations has made good impression on libyans and there is possibility of military base there and it will be even more profitable.

                                http://www.libyanexpress.com/libyas-...ar-led-forces/
                                https://www.libyaobserver.ly/news/ru...or-fabrication

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                                • Marcellogo
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                                  Levsha, this kind of loading is the one that have earned them the "Thud" nickname...

                                  Drag of such kind of weapons disposition (a.k.a. the Christmas tree) is absolutely massive.

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                                  • Sintra
                                    Rank 5 Registered User

                                    That's because they operate in an opposite way to the JDAM inflation spoiled coalition.
                                    While they start(ed) from faraway bases, pass all over Iraq and attack pre-designated locations as their fighters were B-17 in disguise,
                                    B-17s? Pre designated locations while doing CAS? Really?

                                    Russians start from close locations (for Palmyra Deir-el-Zour operations they relocated choppers and relatively short legged Su-25 in Homs governatorate airbases) and usually keep their planes over SAA operation zones ready to answer to aid calls by ground troops or to engage "on the run" targets discovered in the meanwhile by their (or their allies) UAV/SF.
                                    In what particular way is this diferent to any combat CAS mission performed by the USAF, or the RAF, or the Adla?
                                    Theres a very good reason why ROVER is such a massive presence across the western air armada in the Midle East.
                                    Last edited by Sintra; 19th January 2018, 18:35.
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                                    • FBW
                                      FBW
                                      Rank 5 Registered User

                                      B-17s? Pre designated locations while doing CAS? Really?
                                      In Marcellogo's mind, the use of precision guided munitions is somehow inferior to the use of radar/GPS aided dumb bomb releases and the TLAR method, and apparently doesn't realize that JDAM and SDB both come with laser guided versions as needed, not to mention the traditional paveway series, and newer viper strike.

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                                      • Levsha
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                                        B-17s? Pre designated locations while doing CAS? Really?
                                        In what particular way is this diferent to any combat CAS mission performed by the USAF, or the RAF, or the Adla?
                                        Theres a very good reason why ROVER is such a massive presence across the western air armada in the Midle East.
                                        I think Marcellogo is talking about the SVP-24 attack system, and how super accurate it is allegedly supposed to be. He also seems to be unaware that such nav-attack systems have been deployed on other country's aircraft since the 1960s - the so-called Continuously Computed Impact Point (CCIP) and Continuously Computed Release Point (CCRP) which are to be found on such aircraft as the F-16 and A-10. Such bombing systems improve dumb-bomb accuracy for the USAF - but not to the point were the USAF (and the Russian AF) can avoid using guided munitions for complete pin-point accuracy: JDAM, KAB-500S etc, they still have to be used.
                                        Last edited by Levsha; 19th January 2018, 19:29.

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                                        • JSR
                                          JSR
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                                          When is F-16 and A-10 1960s era?. They operationally deployed in 1980s. A little later than Su-24 .

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