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  • halloweene
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    Full letter here,

    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...20Bird%20Brief

    Crusty points...

    Polish MinDef is president of the association of the american foundation "Friends of Poland". According to Gazeta Wyborcza (http://wyborcza.pl/1,75398,20786556,...Redirects=true). Their site is now down (what a surprise...). Opposition at parliament is asking for a formal inquiry commission.

    Politics are pushing Airbus to sue Polish governement DGA sent a letter to polish mindef. Polish delegation isn't anymore an official delegation at Euronaval 2016... (kiddish imho)

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    • halloweene
      Rank 5 Registered User

      Originally posted by TomcatViP View Post
      What you write is highly controversial without much to fill it. Although I am sure Polish politics does not shine on every corner like plenty of Eu democracy, in that case, anyone paying a bit of attention to that deal should have noted that recentely the Polish mod reminded all that he did specify targeted financial objectives for the production line in Poland. Airbus choose to manufacture the old Puma there.
      In light of the recent setback following the Norway crash, the MGB failure etc... it is obvious that Airbus could have difficulty arguing that it will fullfill the best RoI with a Puma derivative when all predict a shrinking market for that model that has already multiple production lines.

      Instead of fingerpointing somewhere in the fog of local politics, the above is more a rational explanation*, isn't it?
      Oh stop that. Puma do not have same engines and gearboxes. Do we stand shouting each time a S-61 or a Lynx crashes?
      And it is a very rational explanation. Sikorsky unit is in an PIS held district, and offsets offered by Airbus was very generous.
      And it was the only offer that complied every clause of Polish demands.

      And please do not give EU countries democracy lessons. Eg Our president cannot be elected with less votes than its opponent (see Bush...)

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      • TomcatViP
        Rank 5 Registered User

        ???

        you are on your own (as it seems). B/w same link.

        Also, I mentionned "Puma derivatives" wich includes de-facto all the Puma/Super Puma and H2xx deribatives(I hate those new denomination).
        Last edited by TomcatViP; 12th October 2016, 03:36.

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        • JakobS
          Rank 5 Registered User

          Please, the current MoD has his head deep up the asses of union members from PZL Mielec and PZL Swidnik. All bullcrap talk about offset and so is just bullcrap. Everyone who have followed the situation knew this deal would be dumped by the new government for their internal gains.

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          • billy club
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            Ansat to get new rotor blades



            Russian aviation news: Performance of Ansat, the light utility helicopter, will be improved by replacing the current main rotor blades with newly designed blades...

            The new blades will make use of composite materials and production technology, which implies one-step molding. The technology was developed jointly by Ansats designer Kazan Helicopters Plant and RH-Technologies design bureau, both part of Russian Helicopters holding.

            http://www.rusaviainsider.com/ansat-...-rotor-blades/

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            • Tango III
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              Nigerian government transfers two AW101s to the Air Force

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              • JSR
                JSR
                Rank 5 Registered User

                Originally posted by halloweene View Post
                Full letter here,

                https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...20Bird%20Brief

                Crusty points...

                Polish MinDef is president of the association of the american foundation "Friends of Poland". According to Gazeta Wyborcza (http://wyborcza.pl/1,75398,20786556,...Redirects=true). Their site is now down (what a surprise...). Opposition at parliament is asking for a formal inquiry commission.

                Politics are pushing Airbus to sue Polish governement DGA sent a letter to polish mindef. Polish delegation isn't anymore an official delegation at Euronaval 2016... (kiddish imho)
                Expect more deals to go wary. Partially due to fundung cuts and partially creating bargaining position .
                http://m.dw.com/en/italys-pm-renzi-c...ees/a-36026000

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                • TomcatViP
                  Rank 5 Registered User

                  They make it a Gov to Gov diplomatic thing! Crazy times.

                  On a lighter note, I found another reason why the Poles ran away so fast:

                  Airbus had also hoped to pitch its Tiger attack helicopter [...] to the Polish services
                  !!
                  Last edited by TomcatViP; 13th October 2016, 01:16.

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                  • Rii
                    Rii
                    Senior Member

                    BBC -- Poland taught France how to use a fork
                    Poland "taught the French how to use a fork", a Polish deputy minister has said, amid a continuing row over a cancelled defence contract.

                    Deputy Defence Minister Bartosz Kownacki also accused the French of lacking "class" after losing the multi-billion dollar contract to build 50 Airbus Caracal helicopters for Poland.

                    [....]

                    Speaking on TV, Mr Kownacki accused France of responding by withdrawing the offer of free accommodation and a car for the Polish delegation at a defence fair in Paris next week.

                    "They are a people who learned to eat with a fork from us a few centuries ago. So maybe this is why they are behaving in this way now," he said.

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                    • F-16
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                      Photos: Russia's upgraded Mi-28NM makes its maiden flight

                      http://echelon-defense.com/2016/10/1...maiden-flight/

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                      • Y-20 Bacon
                        Senior Member

                        wow the french side was pretty rude. must've sent sergglglebos to negotiate

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                        • Tango III
                          Rank 5 Registered User

                          Bell, Fuji engineers busy with UH-X specifications

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                          • Tango III
                            Rank 5 Registered User

                            Russia's upgraded Night Hunter helicopter makes its first flight



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                            • Tango III
                              Rank 5 Registered User

                              India, Russia to Announce Ka-226T Helicopter Joint Venture

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                              • Tango III
                                Rank 5 Registered User

                                Sikorsky delivers 1,000th U.S. Army H-60M Black Hawk

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                                • F-16
                                  Rank 3 Registered User

                                  Peru receives Russian helicopter radios

                                  http://echelon-defense.com/2016/10/1...copter-radios/

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                                  • TomcatViP
                                    Rank 5 Registered User

                                    And then we go down the slums:
                                    French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said at a cabinet meeting that he deplored Poland’s “unacceptable manner,” which called into question an agreement that had been signed with the Caracal helicopter, government spokesman Stphane Le Foll said Wednesday. President Franois Hollande canceled his Oct. 13 trip to Poland in response to Warsaw’s reversal on the helicopter deal.
                                    Facepalm.
                                    Poland is a strategic partner. Pole are certainly pleased to learn that France does not rate their partnership past the loss of a couple of corporate Billions €. What comes next and In which name do they do that? That is totally irrational for an entire gov to burst like that; and that's what is freaky.
                                    Last edited by TomcatViP; 16th October 2016, 07:43.

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                                    • TomcatViP
                                      Rank 5 Registered User

                                      New upgraded A129 Mangusta for Italy

                                      For 487 million euros, the armed forces plan to get a prototype, three pre-series aircraft and one initial operating capability-level aircraft,

                                      as well as the later upgrade of the three pre-series versions to IOC level, all by 2025.
                                      Source:
                                      Defense News.com

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                                      • Tango III
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                                        Industry responds to USAF UH-1N replacement effort

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                                        • Tango III
                                          Rank 5 Registered User

                                          Industry responds to USAF UH-1N replacement effort

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