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  • BlackArcher
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    Poland scraps big Airbus helicopters contract

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    • Tango III
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      Advanced Mi-28NM Helicopter Starts Flight Tests

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      • comanche
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        Super Pumas Cleared to Fly


        how is this even possible?

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        • JSR
          JSR
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          Originally posted by BlackArcher View Post
          As expected
          http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...bus-pact-break

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          • halloweene
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            Originally posted by comanche View Post
            Super Pumas Cleared to Fly


            how is this even possible?
            Because it is safe with "B" type gearbox? Other types crash also...

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            • halloweene
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              Can't open link. What is sure is that Airbus factory in Poland (conversely to Sikorsky or Agusta Westland are not situated within new government voters zones...

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              • JSR
                JSR
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                here another. The voters are not realizing it.
                http://m.gulf-times.com/story/516616...irbus-contract

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                • Tango III
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                  2 of MI17 or MI24 to improve the country’s capability against possible internal and external threats.

                  Manila, Moscow near deal on $12-m choppers

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                  • Tango III
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                    UK to Deploy Wildcat Helicopters on German Navy Frigate

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                    • TomcatViP
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                      Originally posted by halloweene View Post
                      Can't open link. What is sure is that Airbus factory in Poland (conversely to Sikorsky or Agusta Westland are not situated within new government voters zones...
                      What you write is highly controversial without much to fill it. Although I am sure Polish politics does not shine on every corner like plenty of Eu democracy, in that case, anyone paying a bit of attention to that deal should have noted that recentely the Polish mod reminded all that he did specify targeted financial objectives for the production line in Poland. Airbus choose to manufacture the old Puma there.
                      In light of the recent setback following the Norway crash, the MGB failure etc... it is obvious that Airbus could have difficulty arguing that it will fullfill the best RoI with a Puma derivative when all predict a shrinking market for that model that has already multiple production lines.

                      Instead of fingerpointing somewhere in the fog of local politics, the above is more a rational explanation*, isn't it?
                      Last edited by TomcatViP; 9th October 2016, 00:31.

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                      • Rii
                        Rii
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                        The French response seems ... unusual?

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                        • MSphere
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                          Originally posted by Tango III View Post
                          2 of MI17 or MI24 to improve the countrys capability against possible internal and external threats.

                          Manila, Moscow near deal on $12-m choppers
                          Russians are not losing time...

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                          • Tango III
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                            Mi-17 crashes.

                            Afghan Military Helicopter Crash Kills 7

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                            • Tango III
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                              Poland Opts for Polish-Made Black Hawk Helicopters for Army

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                              • Nicolas10
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                                Originally posted by Rii View Post
                                The French response seems ... unusual?
                                Not so much when you compare to the "french" responses to the brexit, for instance. hollande would threaten anyone but ISIS.

                                Nic

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                                • TomcatViP
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                                  Originally posted by TomcatViP View Post
                                  What you write is highly controversial without much to fill it. Although I am sure Polish politics does not shine on every corner like plenty of Eu democracy, in that case, anyone paying a bit of attention to that deal should have noted that recentely the Polish mod reminded all that he did specify targeted financial objectives for the production line in Poland. Airbus choose to manufacture the old Puma there.
                                  In light of the recent setback following the Norway crash, the MGB failure etc... it is obvious that Airbus could have difficulty arguing that it will fullfill the best RoI with a Puma derivative when all predict a shrinking market for that model that has already multiple production lines.

                                  Instead of fingerpointing somewhere in the fog of local politics, the above is more a rational explanation*, isn't it?
                                  As a matter of facts, in FlightGlobal today:
                                  [defence minister Antoni Macierewicz] says the Airbus Helicopters proposal did not offer enough to Polish industry, particularly the development of its rotorcraft sector, with the parties several billion zlotys apart.

                                  “Negotiations were not broken, but ended without a positive result,” says deputy prime minister and minister of development Mateusz Morawiecki.

                                  “We conducted the negotiations in a very good faith, proposing offset solutions. Offset must be offset. I cannot disclose more details because of commercial confidentiality,” he says.
                                  Last edited by TomcatViP; 11th October 2016, 04:54.

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                                  • Multirole
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                                    This a little OT, I was wondering are military helicopters normally officers or NCOs. In the US Army they are often a separate category of warrant officers. I can't imagine it would be this convoluted world wide.
                                    pb::

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                                    • comanche
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                                      Originally posted by halloweene View Post
                                      Because it is safe with "B" type gearbox? Other types crash also...
                                      Yes, that's what the EASA said, but what's exactly the difference between type A and B planet gear? is it a matter of materials?
                                      This sounds like admitting that the previous one was defected.
                                      Plus, it's just been a week from the Geneva crash, which has not been fully investigated, even if they ruled out any technical problem very quickly.

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                                      • TomcatViP
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                                        Airbus Helicopters hits out over 'misleading allegations' in Poland

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                                        FlightGlobal.com
                                        Last edited by TomcatViP; 11th October 2016, 18:11.

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                                        • JSR
                                          JSR
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                                          Originally posted by Rii View Post
                                          The French response seems ... unusual?
                                          It is too be expected . for some reason French does not go all the way.

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