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  • merlin2
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    One of the major advantage the Rafale has over the Eurofighter is that the Rafale is marketed by the French only, while the EF has 3 different marketing departments !! do they coordinate their efforts? thats the big question..

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    • TomcatViP
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      Originally posted by merlin2 View Post
      One of the major advantage the Rafale has over the Eurofighter is that the Rafale is marketed by the French only, while the EF has 3 different marketing departments !! do they coordinate their efforts? thats the big question..
      Rafale history of hiccups has shown that even a single marketing departments can mess it like three different Dozens!
      Frankly, did you wake up just to write that thing?

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      • Loke
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        Su-35 versus Typhoon: Analysis from RUSIs Justin Bronk

        Which aircraft, all things being equal, would have an advantage?

        I would certainly still take a Typhoon going into a hypothetical all things equal scenario, because of its superior kinematics at high altitudes and speeds which allow it to have control of an engagement except in specific scenarios.
        http://hushkit.net/2016/03/17/su-35-...-justin-bronk/

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        • mrmalaya
          Generation 4.75+++

          Yes whilst he likes the Typhoon in most scenarios he does not want to meet an Su-35 close in. Much of the analysis appears to be done on the basis of a confrontation today as opposed to in the coming years with Meteor in service.

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          • Get_It
            Rank 5 Registered User

            We know that each Eurofighter member nation has been assigned their own countries where they can market and take lead in the sale of the Typhoon. Is there a source for which member nation is responsible for which country/countries?

            So far I have seen the following:
            Saudi Arabia - UK
            Kuwait - Italy
            India - Germany
            Peru - Spain?

            Cheers,

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            • Vnomad
              Rank 5 Registered User

              We asked Justin Bronk from the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) think-tank his thoughts on the Su-35’s combat effectiveness against the Typhoon the backbone of NATO’s fighter force.


              Not to nitpick, but its not even the backbone of NATO fighter force in Europe. With over 500 aircraft active (almost 750 if you include the TAF), that honour still belongs to the F-16.

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              • Loke
                Rank 5 Registered User

                Originally posted by Vnomad View Post
                We asked Justin Bronk from the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) think-tank his thoughts on the Su-35’s combat effectiveness against the Typhoon the backbone of NATO’s fighter force.


                Not to nitpick, but its not even the backbone of NATO fighter force in Europe. With over 500 aircraft active (almost 750 if you include the TAF), that honour still belongs to the F-16.
                Well yes, but but the Typhoon is up there with the F-22, nothing can touch it, apart from the F-22 (and the sneaky Gripen using EW and Meteor...)

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                • Ginner
                  Rank 3 Registered User

                  Have there been any development on the availability of Aerodynamic Modification Kit since the testing last year? Is that a 3B capability? Will they retrofit it or offer on new builds only?
                  Last edited by Ginner; 18th March 2016, 21:31.

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                  • Duggy
                    Flight SIM Pilot

                    Back to reality ??
                    LINK - http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...ent-phase.html

                    This is a CGI photo of "Spear".16 missiles Maybe I should post under amazing load outs?

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                    • Scorpion82
                      Rank 5 Registered User

                      Originally posted by Get_It View Post
                      We know that each Eurofighter member nation has been assigned their own countries where they can market and take lead in the sale of the Typhoon. Is there a source for which member nation is responsible for which country/countries?

                      So far I have seen the following:
                      Saudi Arabia - UK
                      Kuwait - Italy
                      India - Germany
                      Peru - Spain?

                      Cheers,
                      In simplified terms
                      UK: middle and far east
                      GE: North, West, central and East Europe
                      IT: South East Europe
                      SP: South America

                      In factual terms taking existing campaigns into account, former, present and future:
                      UK: KSA, Oman, UAE, Qatar, Indonesia, Malaysia, Japan, Singapore, Australia, Belgium
                      GE: Czech, Poland, Croatia, Norway, Denmark, Netherlands, Swiss, Austria, India and potentially Finland
                      IT: Turkey, Romania, Brazil, Kuwait, support for Japan
                      SP: South Korea, Peru, Chile

                      I surely have missed the one or other.

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                      • Scorpion82
                        Rank 5 Registered User

                        Originally posted by Ginner View Post
                        Have there been any development on the availability of Aerodynamic Modification Kit since the testing last year? Is that a 3B capability? Will they retrofit it or offer on new builds only?
                        It's a retrofit option, but there is currently no indication that any customer will opt for it.

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                        • Ginner
                          Rank 3 Registered User

                          Originally posted by Scorpion82 View Post
                          It's a retrofit option, but there is currently no indication that any customer will opt for it.
                          Any idea why? Is there a downside to it? It seems the performance data was pretty impressive for a simple adjustment. Maybe just an ace up their sleeve if they compete with SH and Rafale?

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                          • Scorpion82
                            Rank 5 Registered User

                            The trials campaign demonstrated the potential but bringing the AMK into servixe requires some more extensive testing, including trials with various stores configurations and that's expensive and time consuming. There are furthermore more important priorities as the aircraft's performance is already quite good.

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                            • hopsalot
                              Senior Member

                              Originally posted by Ginner View Post
                              Any idea why? Is there a downside to it? It seems the performance data was pretty impressive for a simple adjustment. Maybe just an ace up their sleeve if they compete with SH and Rafale?
                              It costs money, and contrary to what people around here spend all their time obsessing over, dogfighting is only a small part of what fighters do. Most Eurofighter operators are more interested in putting their limited resources toward more fully developing a multi-role capability, integrating new weapons, an AESA, etc.

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                              • Spitfire9
                                Rank 5 Registered User

                                Successful Ground Rig Trials Completed on Brimstone Missile for Typhoon

                                http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...tegration.html
                                Sum ergo cogito

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                                • halloweene
                                  Rank 5 Registered User

                                  Originally posted by hopsalot View Post
                                  It costs money, and contrary to what people around here spend all their time obsessing over, dogfighting is only a small part of what fighters do. Most Eurofighter operators are more interested in putting their limited resources toward more fully developing a multi-role capability, integrating new weapons, an AESA, etc.
                                  i'd say air force is concentrating on not so sexy but useful updates. After first day or trilat exercise, Rafale pilots had to change their tactitcs vs Typhoon (improvements of Captor and better use of HMDS)....

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                                  • mrmalaya
                                    Generation 4.75+++

                                    I'm biting my tongue....

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                                    • halloweene
                                      Rank 5 Registered User

                                      if you mean during first day Rafale was spanked you can openly

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                                      • mrmalaya
                                        Generation 4.75+++

                                        Originally posted by halloweene View Post
                                        if you mean during first day Rafale was spanked you can openly

                                        As much as there is lots of group spank going on, I would not want to face a combined force of F22 and Typhoon/Rafale!

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                                        • Spitfire9
                                          Rank 5 Registered User

                                          DOHA, Qatar — Britain's defense minister said on Tuesday that a deal to sell Eurofighter Typhoon warplanes to Qatar was "definitely still on the table".

                                          Michael Fallon, speaking on board a British destroyer anchored in Doha port, said he had held discussions on a possible sale with Qatari officials within the past week.

                                          He added that the deal had not been killed off by a Qatari decision to buy 24 Rafale jets from France.
                                          '...held discussions on a possible sale with Qatari officials within the past week.' Why would Qatar possibly be interested in operating 2 different eurocanards? Perhaps the conversation went something like this:

                                          M Fallon: "Are you saying there are no circumstances whatsoever in which you would consider buying Typhoon?"

                                          Qatari officials: "No, we can't say that."
                                          Sum ergo cogito

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