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  • mrmalaya
    Generation 4.75+++
    • Jan 2010
    • 4664

    Iraq takes the Russian appraoch to battling ISIS

    http://aviationweek.com/blog/fuel-ai...ts-arrive-iraq

    Russian Fuel Air Explosive rockets, so effective in the battle for Grozny are now in country.

    The US may as well pull the Hellfire armed predators out now if the rules have changed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOiylaQj2xc
    Last edited by mrmalaya; 1st August 2014, 15:16.
  • lukos
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2013
    • 1762

    #2
    Given the relative effectiveness of FAE based on the FOAB, those 240kg FAE warheads are roughly equivalent to lobbing Mk-84s downrange.

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    • TomcatViP
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Nov 2011
      • 6127

      #3
      A disaster in the making for sure.

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      • Cherry Ripe
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Jul 2009
        • 564

        #4
        Originally posted by mrmalaya View Post

        The US may as well pull the Hellfire armed predators out now if the rules have changed.
        ?

        The IDF used both FAEs and Hellfires when assaulting the Hizbullah bunkers on the Lebanese border. They're not mutually exclusive weapons.

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        • mrmalaya
          Generation 4.75+++
          • Jan 2010
          • 4664

          #5
          No I'm sure they're not. I was implying that precision had gone out the window that is all.

          The West goes to great lengths to develop precision munitions and still gets into a mess fighting in urban centres, whilst the Russians (and those who follow their approach to things) look for cost effective ways to remove the urban centres.

          Sorry if that is glib.

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          • TR1
            TR1
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            • Oct 2010
            • 9826

            #6
            Russia has its own precise munitions, so I don't really follow the logic.
            TOS-1 is specifically made for anti-personnel destruction over a wide area (not in a dense civilian filled urban area), no different from other artillery means.

            In recent snap drills (Russian army) it was used on fields and ravines and other targets that were not urban at all.
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            • lukos
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2013
              • 1762

              #7
              Originally posted by mrmalaya View Post
              No I'm sure they're not. I was implying that precision had gone out the window that is all.

              The West goes to great lengths to develop precision munitions and still gets into a mess fighting in urban centres, whilst the Russians (and those who follow their approach to things) look for cost effective ways to remove the urban centres.

              Sorry if that is glib.
              That's a naive point of view. Both countries have MLRSs and cluster bombs. Both countries have MOAB/FOAB type devices. It's not what you've got, it's how you use it..... as they say.

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              • mrmalaya
                Generation 4.75+++
                • Jan 2010
                • 4664

                #8
                It's not naive and i am not getting drawn into a Russia versus the west debate. I am also aware that Russia has precision weapons.

                The FAE in question have been used to depopulate urban areas in the past as well as the hidden underground targets they were designed for.

                By the way I am talking about a Western perspective, and not comparing the US with Russia. We shall have to wait and see how these rockets are used. Given the lack of an Iraqi airforce, is it the case that they are effectively taking the place of air strikes I wonder?

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                • TR1
                  TR1
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                  • Oct 2010
                  • 9826

                  #9
                  They only bought a few out of a big artillery deal with Russia, and given the short range of the system, I guess they are intended for special operations, not general use.
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                  • JSR
                    JSR
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Aug 2011
                    • 4982

                    #10
                    Originally posted by mrmalaya View Post
                    No I'm sure they're not. I was implying that precision had gone out the window that is all.

                    The West goes to great lengths to develop precision munitions and still gets into a mess fighting in urban centres, whilst the Russians (and those who follow their approach to things) look for cost effective ways to remove the urban centres.

                    Sorry if that is glib.
                    Iraq is also buying lots of helicopters. that is as precise weopons as you can get for picking individual targets.
                    Nato simply run out of precision in only 4 million country Libya. and it still did not prevent failed state.
                    TOS-1A just one of visible export item and it maybe needed at some places. it is the invisible training and intelligence that matters.

                    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...n-america.html
                    Last edited by JSR; 2nd August 2014, 17:19.

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                    • kev 99
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 1535

                      #11
                      Originally posted by JSR View Post
                      Nato simply run out of precision in only 4 million country Libya. and it still did not prevent failed state.
                      That is nonsense, Nato didn't run out of anything. Silly boy.

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                      • haavarla
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 6715

                        #12
                        Originally posted by kev 99 View Post
                        That is nonsense, Nato didn't run out of anything. Silly boy.
                        Norway and Denmark AF depleted their A2G ammo during the Libya conflict.
                        But it may been a calculated move, cause then their would get newer and better ammo ordered up.
                        Thanks

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                        • kev 99
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 1535

                          #13
                          Originally posted by haavarla View Post
                          Norway and Denmark AF depleted their A2G ammo during the Libya conflict.
                          But it may been a calculated move, cause then their would get newer and better ammo ordered up.
                          Yeah I know, the idea that NATO ran out is preposterous though.

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                          • lukos
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2013
                            • 1762

                            #14
                            Originally posted by haavarla View Post
                            Norway and Denmark AF depleted their A2G ammo during the Libya conflict.
                            But it may been a calculated move, cause then their would get newer and better ammo ordered up.
                            Weapons have a shelf life. If you don't use them, they become waste.

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                            • haavarla
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 6715

                              #15
                              Right. Even a better reason to just get rid of their inventory, and then order up more.
                              Thanks

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                              • MSphere
                                Senior Member
                                • Feb 2010
                                • 8983

                                #16
                                Arrival of first three Mi-28NE helicopters to Iraq

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                                • swerve
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Jun 2005
                                  • 13612

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by kev 99 View Post
                                  Yeah I know, the idea that NATO ran out is preposterous though.
                                  Yep.

                                  There were claims that the UK was running out of Brimstone, for example. Er - no. Stocks of dual-mode Brimstone got a bit low, but most of our Brimstones were't dual-mode. We had plenty of standard models in stock. And the RAF never had any constraint on operations as a result of shortages of DMB: there were always enough. The only effect of munitions usage in Libya on UK stocks, AFAIK, is that we placed some more orders to bring stocks back up to a prudent level.

                                  Ditto for all the major countries, & hence NATO overall. Denmark & Norway are small countries which were heavily engaged in proportion to the size of their air forces & their munitions inventories.
                                  Juris praecepta sunt haec: honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere.
                                  Justinian

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                                  • MSphere
                                    Senior Member
                                    • Feb 2010
                                    • 8983

                                    #18
                                    Iraqi Su-25K received new serials. So far identified: IqAF 2513, IqAF 2519, IqAF 2520, IqAF 2521

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                                    • Flyboy77
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Oct 2007
                                      • 313

                                      #19
                                      Some videos on Iraqi Su-25s at work. Love the sound the GSh-30-2 makes









                                      Last edited by Flyboy77; 25th November 2014, 00:02.

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                                      • haavarla
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Dec 2008
                                        • 6715

                                        #20
                                        Wicked sound of the GSh-30-2!
                                        Thanks

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