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  • ananda
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Oct 2010
    • 519

    #21
    Originally posted by thobbes View Post
    Why resurrect Cheetah? They can't afford to operate Gripens so it's not like they'll be able to afford Cheetahs (especially with a thirsty turbojet). They can't even afford to fly A109 light helicopters and part of the training syllabus has been switched to Cessnas because they can't afford to operate PC-7s in that role.

    12 of the Cheetahs have been sold to Ecuador.
    Well perhaps with the money they got on selling those Gripen, they can used it to resurrect at least a sq of Cheetah. I know is a long shoot, and I don't know the conditions of Atlas as Aircraft facility presently, however with Cheetah badically being remanufactured in Atlas to begin with, perhaps overall operating Cheetah again still made SAF at least able to maintain 1 sq of fast jets operational.

    What I'm getting at, the money from Gripen sale can be used to restructured SAF budget and by then SAF can still be operational as respectable AF (for sub sahara Africa at least).

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    • thobbes
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Sep 2010
      • 2116

      #22
      Originally posted by ananda View Post
      Well perhaps with the money they got on selling those Gripen, they can used it to resurrect at least a sq of Cheetah. I know is a long shoot, and I don't know the conditions of Atlas as Aircraft facility presently, however with Cheetah badically being remanufactured in Atlas to begin with, perhaps overall operating Cheetah again still made SAF at least able to maintain 1 sq of fast jets operational.

      What I'm getting at, the money from Gripen sale can be used to restructured SAF budget and by then SAF can still be operational as respectable AF (for sub sahara Africa at least).
      Their problem is they can't afford the money to fly the Gripens (or anything else). This is money for maintenance, for fuel, for spares, money for maintaining associated buildings and infrastructure, money for housing of staff etc.

      This is recurrent funding and something that selling Gripens won't fix.
      Last edited by thobbes; 26th July 2013, 07:06.
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      • obligatory
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2008
        • 7043

        #23
        Hard call... they are roughly same weight, with Atlas Cheetah being powered by an upgraded turbojet from 1948,
        Gripen being powered by an upgraded turbofan from 1978, airframe wise also differ some odd 30 years,
        and given that Gripen was designed to be maintained mostly by conscripts,
        and add to that that operational cost also keep going up with age,
        i'd say Gripen is cheaper to operate.

        By selling off the only contemporary inventory and spending that profit on upgrading 40 year old mothballed equipment
        that cost more to use, there won't be neither money nor air force left.

        If SA are that hard pressed financially, i would keep 12-18 Gripen and decommission and sell the rest,
        -for scraps if need be, to end cost for storage/maintenance terminally.
        Last edited by obligatory; 26th July 2013, 07:31.

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        • topspeed
          Get on uppah !
          • Jan 2009
          • 2659

          #24
          Originally posted by obligatory View Post
          Hard call... they are roughly same weight, with Atlas Cheetah being powered by an upgraded turbojet from 1948,
          Gripen being powered by an upgraded turbofan from 1978, airframe wise also differ some odd 30 years,
          and given that Gripen was designed to be maintained mostly by conscripts,
          and add to that that operational cost also keep going up with age,
          i'd say Gripen is cheaper to operate.
          Isn't that Snecma Atar a BMW engine practically ?

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Cheetah
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          • seahawk
            F-4 Phanatic
            • Jan 2000
            • 4612

            #25
            It does not matter which plane they would try to operate, as they do not have (or want to spent) the budget needed to operate any fighter.
            Member of ACIG

            an unnamed Luftwaffe officer:"Typhoon is a warm weather plane. If you want to be operational at -20C you have to deploy the F-4F."

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            • Fedaykin
              Fueled by Tea
              • Dec 2005
              • 5290

              #26
              Of course the South African government has no problem funding the VIP fleet! Those ANC politicians do like those helicopters ferrying them around! The truth is until South Africa has a competitive opposition party in the majority black population the ANC will carry on in its rather corrupt way.
              Because sometimes in life we need a bit of fun

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              • bring_it_on
                2005-year of the RAPTOR!!
                • Jun 2004
                • 12480

                #27
                Weren't there just 3 pilots left in South Africa that were still in service and could fly the Gripen? Why does SA not consider Leasing them out. I am sure someone, would be willing to take a few gripens on lease, along with the pilots for DACT purposes...
                Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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                • BlackArcher
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 4285

                  #28
                  truly sad state of affairs for the SAAF..just how bad is their budget? And what has caused such a calamitous drop in what was regarded as a professional air force once?

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                  • swerve
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Jun 2005
                    • 13610

                    #29
                    The first post-apartheid government rightly decided that South Africa was spending far more on its military than it needed to, because much of its spending was aimed at preventing what had just happened, i.e. the enfranchisement of the majority, & a lot was also aimed at fighting the Cold War. It therefore cut the budget. It also went overboard on spending on political correctness, & funding the social integration of former guerrillas, from within the military budget. It adopted a fairly sensible re-alignment of the forces, leading to the re-equipment of the navy & purchase of Gripen, Hawk, & the (later cancelled) A400M order. But the budget kept shrinking . . . . . & more & more of it was being diverted . . . . .

                    Originally posted by ananda View Post
                    Makes you wandered if South Africa still entitled to be clasified as rising economic power as Brazil, Rusia, China, and India in BRICS. For me from beginning, inclusion of South Africa in BRICS already questionable. South Africa already bevome just another typical miss management African country. Rich in resources, clouded with extreme corrupts government and increasingly incompetent buerocracy.
                    S. Africa is a middle income country, richer per head than China (& much richer than India), & about the same as Brazil.
                    Last edited by swerve; 26th July 2013, 12:22.
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                    • ananda
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 519

                      #30
                      Originally posted by swerve View Post

                      S. Africa is a middle income country, richer per head than China (& much richer than India), & about the same as Brazil.
                      Ooo I don't doubt SA is rich country, and it's potential. However putting the 'present' SA with the same league with BRIC is what I said the joke. Present SA continue wasting their potential by continue missmanage policy, wasting their main resources (which is human) on some affirmative ANC politically motivated policy, etc, etc. I don't mind affirmative, but the one they do it in SA increasingly counterproductive.

                      With that situation in SA presently, how come they can be moving ahead at same pace as BRIC. After all the ides of BRIC is the next global economic power. Don't see present SA will be on that league soon.

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                      • Fedaykin
                        Fueled by Tea
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 5290

                        #31
                        Originally posted by swerve View Post
                        The first post-apartheid government rightly decided that South Africa was spending far more on its military than it needed to, because much of its spending was aimed at preventing what had just happened, i.e. the enfranchisement of the majority, & a lot was also aimed at fighting the Cold War. It therefore cut the budget. It also went overboard on spending on political correctness, & funding the social integration of former guerrillas, from within the military budget. It adopted a fairly sensible re-alignment of the forces, leading to the re-equipment of the navy & purchase of Gripen, Hawk, & the (later cancelled) A400M order. But the budget kept shrinking . . . . . & more & more of it was being diverted . . . . .


                        S. Africa is a middle income country, richer per head than China (& much richer than India), & about the same as Brazil.
                        Agreed.
                        Because sometimes in life we need a bit of fun

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                        • topspeed
                          Get on uppah !
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 2659

                          #32
                          Originally posted by ananda View Post
                          Well perhaps with the money they got on selling those Gripen, they can used it to resurrect at least a sq of Cheetah. I know is a long shoot, and I don't know the conditions of Atlas as Aircraft facility presently, however with Cheetah badically being remanufactured in Atlas to begin with, perhaps overall operating Cheetah again still made SAF at least able to maintain 1 sq of fast jets operational.

                          What I'm getting at, the money from Gripen sale can be used to restructured SAF budget and by then SAF can still be operational as respectable AF (for sub sahara Africa at least).

                          It may have to do with the Cheetah...their pride and joy; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKt7r7tREL4
                          If it looks good, it will fly good !
                          -Bill Lear & Marcel Dassault


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