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  • Gerard
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    • Aug 2009
    • 3152

    MB 362 with old Argentinian Navy roundel

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    For Roundels of the World: http://www.drareg.nl/Markeringen/index.html or Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/481843655359127/

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    • KERVYN
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      • May 2007
      • 803

      is it this one ? ;
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      friendly, Etienne

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      • Gerard
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        • Aug 2009
        • 3152

        Yes, that's the one.

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        a little blurry but still recognizable
        For Roundels of the World: http://www.drareg.nl/Markeringen/index.html or Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/481843655359127/

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        • KERVYN
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • May 2007
          • 803

          OK, Gerard, thanks,

          friendly, Etienne

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          • archangelski
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Jul 2013
            • 2384

            Zambian Air Force :

            UH-1


            MA60


            Jastreb (sorry, bad quality and B/W)
            Last edited by archangelski; 28th November 2013, 18:47.

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            • MSphere
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2010
              • 8983

              Zambian G-2E
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              • archangelski
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Jul 2013
                • 2384

                Zambian AF :

                MB-326 (masked roundels)


                MB-326 and K-8 in formation :


                K-8 :
                Last edited by archangelski; 29th November 2013, 09:47.

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                • KERVYN
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • May 2007
                  • 803

                  PAF Northrop F-5's....

                  let me try again ; i'm still searching photos of their F-5's ;http://www.pafmuseum.com.pk/historic...n-Pakistan.htm


                  can you help ?

                  friendly, Etienne
                  Last edited by KERVYN; 30th November 2013, 14:44.

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                  • ha27
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Dec 2005
                    • 520

                    Algeria..unexpected

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                    • archangelski
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Jul 2013
                      • 2384

                      Ivory Coast :

                      IAR330 :


                      MiG-23ML :

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                      • mack8
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 2114

                        Actually export MLD, might be ex-bulgarian one. Can't recall who was supposed to be the final recipient , but i think they were impounded in Ivory Coast or something like that.
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                        NO to NATO
                        NO to WAR!

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                        • archangelski
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                          • Jul 2013
                          • 2384

                          Originally posted by mack8 View Post
                          Actually export MLD, might be ex-bulgarian one. Can't recall who was supposed to be the final recipient , but i think they were impounded in Ivory Coast or something like that.
                          The model in the picture doesn't seems to have neither the distinctive "dogtooth/sawtooth" at the wing root nor the pitot boom equiped with vortex generator of an MLD. Then, if this one is ex-Bulgarian, it's probably an MLA (for me, but can be wrong).

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                          • mack8
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                            • Nov 2009
                            • 2114

                            Yes, indeed it doesn't, the export model does not have the vortex generators nor the dogtooth. The visual difference is the extra pair of dielectric apertures on the wing glove leading edge (bigger inside ones, white coloured- they are for SPO-15LE RWR). There are two on each glove on MLD whether russian or export while only one each on previous models (ML, MF etc.)
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                            • archangelski
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Jul 2013
                              • 2384

                              Originally posted by mack8 View Post
                              Yes, indeed it doesn't, the export model does not have the vortex generators nor the dogtooth. The visual difference is the extra pair of dielectric apertures on the wing glove leading edge (bigger inside ones, white coloured- they are for SPO-15LE RWR). There are two on each glove on MLD whether russian or export while only one each on previous models (ML, MF etc.)
                              Ok, thanks for info, but seems that MiG-23ML of Syrian and Libyan AF (which are export 23-19B models), and sometimes labelled as MLAE, have also these "new" dielectrics. As is often the case, difficult to compare different versions when only minor details are visible.
                              The D of "MLD" stands for доработанный, then I always thought that they were clearly noticeable modifications.

                              Syrian :


                              PS: I've finally found an article describing the Izdeliye 23-22A (Bulgarian model) and it's particularities, as compared to 23-19B of Syrian AF. Thanks.
                              Last edited by archangelski; 1st December 2013, 15:46.

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                              • Starsign
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Jun 2004
                                • 525

                                Originally posted by gkozak View Post
                                Note the two variations of roundels, that in the third image being a new alternate version. And it looks like the second aircraft hasn't had its stars painted on yet. Either that, or it's a THIRD version of the roundel!
                                Actually there are four variants of Libyan roundel in use. This is the fourth one: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
                                It has been applied to a MiG-23BN, too.

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                                • gkozak
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Jan 2005
                                  • 1177

                                  Originally posted by Starsign View Post
                                  Actually there are four variants of Libyan roundel in use. This is the fourth one: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
                                  It has been applied to a MiG-23BN, too.
                                  Very interesting- thanks much!!!

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                                  • MSphere
                                    Senior Member
                                    • Feb 2010
                                    • 8983

                                    Originally posted by mack8 View Post
                                    Yes, indeed it doesn't, the export model does not have the vortex generators nor the dogtooth. The visual difference is the extra pair of dielectric apertures on the wing glove leading edge (bigger inside ones, white coloured- they are for SPO-15LE RWR). There are two on each glove on MLD whether russian or export while only one each on previous models (ML, MF etc.)
                                    What you are describing is MiG-23MLA. They were exported to Bulgaria, Iraq, Syria, Libya. On the contrary, the MiG-23MLDs were never exported, with the exception of few Bulgarian examples which had the typical wing-root saw-tooth.

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                                    • MSphere
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Feb 2010
                                      • 8983

                                      Originally posted by archangelski View Post
                                      The model in the picture doesn't seems to have neither the distinctive "dogtooth/sawtooth" at the wing root nor the pitot boom equiped with vortex generator of an MLD. Then, if this one is ex-Bulgarian, it's probably an MLA (for me, but can be wrong).
                                      Yes. it's Bulgarian MLA. One (TU-VCH) is former #204, the other one is unknown..



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                                      • AndyMarden
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Jun 2009
                                        • 204

                                        The other ex Bulgarian MLA is the former 219.
                                        Both are/were impounded in Togo.

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                                        • archangelski
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • Jul 2013
                                          • 2384

                                          Originally posted by MSphere View Post
                                          Yes. it's Bulgarian MLA. One (TU-VCH) is former #204, the other one is unknown..

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                                          Originally posted by AndyMarden View Post
                                          The other ex Bulgarian MLA is the former 219.
                                          Both are/were impounded in Togo.
                                          Thanks to both for clarifications.

                                          PS (To MSphere) : your links doesn't work for me (Message :Invalid Attachment specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator).
                                          Last edited by archangelski; 2nd December 2013, 12:01.

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