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  • Bayar
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    • Oct 2014
    • 883

    [QUOTE=Spitfire9;2374065]Yes, that is possible. Many would see that as risky, too, due to Turkey being somewhat unstable (got a civil war going on; recent attempted coup d'tat; head of state altering constitution to something more like dictatorship). And what if the Islamic fundamentalists (no freedom except what Sharia allows) gain power in Turkey? Will agreements with infidels continue?


    Originally posted by Bayar View Post
    Thats correct. Right now no one in Europe is considering the TF-X. But I didn't assert this. I said once BAE Systems and TAI complete the pre-design phase European nations may decide to join the TF-X program.
    There is zero geopolitical risk in Turkey

    No civil war in Turkey- just a war on communist terrorist groups seeking to carve out communist territories.
    Coup- product of Turkey shifting to Russia and China due to Obama's incompetence vis-a-vis Syria. Western Intelligence agencies will not make another attempt at overthrowing Erdogan as this would then solidify Turkey's exit from NATO. He is too powerful as he enjoys popular support at home. The Trump Administration also has good relations with the current Turkish Government. Trump also has business ties with Erdogan's business associates.
    Islamic fundamentalism- Turkey is the last country to succumb to Islamic fundamentalism. The Turks hate the British created Wahhabism. They blame it for the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire (Laurence of Arabia). The Turks also practice a different form of Islam to the majority of the Islamic world. They were also an Islamic Caliphate for in excess of 700 years just only 100 years ago. Their Ottoman caliphate gave refuge to Sephardi Jews fleeing the Spanish Inquisition and were one of the first countries in the world to legalise homosexuality. Even well before the Western world.
    Constitutional changes- Turkey is holding a referendum on whether Turkey should become a Presidential Republic like the USA and France or remain a Parliamentary democracy. The proposed Constitutional changes are identical word for word with the US Constitution. Hardly, akin to a dictatorship unless one asserts that the US Presidential system is also undemocratic.
    Last edited by Bayar; 14th February 2017, 01:31.

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    • Sintra
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Aug 2007
      • 3828

      Originally posted by Bayar View Post
      Thats correct. Right now no one in Europe is considering the TF-X. But I didn't assert this. I said once BAE Systems and TAI complete the pre-design phase European nations may decide to join the TF-X program.
      Oh, i see, agree.


      Originally posted by Bayar View Post
      Turkish Aerospace Industries is also not going from Hurkus to the TFX. It is going from licensed production of 300 F-16's, indigenous modernisation of entire F-16's (Ozgur program), industrial input in the JSF program to design and development of the SNC/TAI Freedom Trainer to developing a new combat aircraft TOGETHER in conjunction with a British defence giant.

      If Europeans purchase Gripen's and Mirage then they will most definitely consider the TF-X.
      They will consider the TFX when, and if it gets into sqns, before no. SAAB and Dassault have an historical pedigree in this particular business, TAI no. Mind you, i will be thrilled if TAI gets that aircraft right!
      Last edited by Sintra; 13th February 2017, 22:48.
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      • Bayar
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Oct 2014
        • 883

        Originally posted by Sintra View Post
        Oh, i see, agree.




        They will consider the TFX when, and if it gets into sqns, before no. SAAB and Dassault have an historical pedigree in this particular business, TAI no. Mind you, i will be thrilled if TAI gets that aircraft right!
        When the Turkish Minister of Defence announced that Turkey was developing a new generation air superiority fighter comparable in mission profile to the F-22 I quite frankly laughed. This continued up until BAE Systems and Rolls Royce joined the TF-X program. Then I heard the British PM's speech.

        Then I was alerted to the technology coming out of Turkey in the past 10 years which made me change my mind. (Some that spring to mind is the Roketsan SOM Advanced Stand-off Missile which is now being marketed by Lockheed Martin in the US. The other is the ASELSAN AESA, IRIST and KORAL. Then you have the ASELPOD, MEHPOD, Aerial Stand-off jammers etc. All Turkish precision strike missiles also use indigenous seekers heads: IR, semi-active laser etc)

        Then on top of this a $44 billion budget was announced together with a recruitment drive for engineers with experience in developing combat aircraft from abroad. Then I saw that as many as 1000 Turkish companies had already begun development of sub-systems and some even had proven prototypes being tested on F-16 Block 30's being used as test-beds.

        This to me showed the professionalism and solid intention on TAI's part.

        Now I follow the program closely because it could quite frankly turn into a European equivalent to the F-22. We will only know when the pre-detail designs are revealed.

        E.g. Turkey also a few years ago stated an intention to build stealth warships. Everyone laughed. Today it is commissioning MILGEM's in large numbers.

        Last edited by Bayar; 14th February 2017, 01:35.

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