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  • slipperysam
    mmmm.... donuts
    • May 2006
    • 784

    Taranis to be tested in Australia

    Dunno if its been posted before....

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/t...-1226619892302
    THE most secretive piece of airspace in Australia - the RAAF-run Woomera flight test range in South Australia - will make history later this year when the world's first unmanned supersonic stealth combat aircraft makes its maiden test flight above the desert.

    Extreme secrecy surrounds the joint British-French project and the drone called Taranis, named after the Celtic god of thunder and built by a British/French consortium led by aerospace giant BAE Systems.

    Resembling an insect and using the delta-shaped "flying wing'' technology favoured by modern-day stealth aircraft such as America's B-2 stealth bomber, Taranis is designed to fly above the speed of sound over long distances undetected by enemy radars to attack targets with an array of precision missiles and bombs.

    Unlike current generation attack drones such as Predator and Reaper, that are used extensively to attack insurgent targets in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen, Taranis will carry the latest in remote defensive technology so it can also evade missiles and hostile manned aircraft.

    US NAVY TESTS DRONE ON CARRIER.

    Unmanned drones are unlikely to ever engage in a dog fight with a manned fighter jet, but the technology is being developed. A more likely future scenario is a long-range missile fight between combat drones.

    The Woomera restricted area has already played host to a number of world firsts including the maiden flight of a scram jet engine that could power aircraft to speeds in excess 8500 kmh or Mach 7 - seven times the speed of sound.

    That would enable future passenger jets to fly a sub-orbital trajectory from Sydney to London in two hours.
    Taranis

    Supplied: BAE Systems

    The rocket range is the second busiest launch pad in the world after NASA's Cape Canaveral in Florida.

    In 2009 BAE Systems flew a propeller driven drone known as a Mantis at Woomera.

    The military regularly uses the range to test missiles and foreign governments use the vast test site for a variety of top-secret test missions.

    The company said Taranis was designed to utilise the most advanced means possible of achieving low observability.

    "This includes both the systems and technology inside the aircraft as well as the shape, design and finish of the exterior of the aircraft. This does mean that there are aspects of the exterior design of the aircraft which remain classified,'' it said.
    Other details such as range and top speed are also top-secret.

    The development of pilotless combat aircraft is controversial and many regard the risks of mistakes associated with removing humans from the kill chain as unacceptable.

    Several American companies are also developing unmanned fighters and helicopters for land and sea based operations.

    A senior American aerospace executive told News Limited that the fifth-generation F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, being purchased by the RAAF, will be the last manned fighter built in the US.

    Taranis

    A concept image of the British superdrone, Taranis. Picture: BAE Systems

    TARANIS: The future of air combat

    World's first supersonic (above speed of sound) stealth unmanned combat aircraft
    Flying delta wing design 12 metres long with 10-metre wingspan
    Flies on pre-programmed flight path guided by on-board computer
    Stealth technology makes it virtually invisible to enemy radars
    Can select its own targets but final 'kill' decision taken by mission command
    Destroy targets with onboard missiles and provides intelligence back to command
    First flight to follow hundreds of hours of ground testing and one million man hours

    Any idea if this video linked to the article is real?

    http://video.couriermail.com.au/2318...t-being-tested
    We are 100% SNAFU
  • bring_it_on
    2005-year of the RAPTOR!!
    • Jun 2004
    • 12480

    #2
    A very sleek looking bird. Is it strictly a prototype or is it meant for production and eventual use? Does seem a bit small (Size and payload) for long range use, however the wiki page suggests its range is "intercontinental" ..
    Last edited by bring_it_on; 14th April 2013, 07:00.
    Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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    • Snow Monkey
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Feb 2009
      • 839

      #3
      Demonstrator, like the similar NEURON project.
      Production platform would be new, based on what is learned from demonstrators, but built to meet specifications of the customers.

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      • bring_it_on
        2005-year of the RAPTOR!!
        • Jun 2004
        • 12480

        #4
        Production platform would be new, based on what is learned from demonstrators, but built to meet specifications of the customers.
        Thanks, thats what i thought as well. A good looking craft indeed!
        Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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        • Rii
          Rii
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2010
          • 3449

          #5
          So much nonsense in that article. But it's nice to know that Australia's proud history as British and American dumping ground continues unabated.

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          • bring_it_on
            2005-year of the RAPTOR!!
            • Jun 2004
            • 12480

            #6
            From what i have hread Bae Australia is a co-developer on this project.
            Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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            • Snow Monkey
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Feb 2009
              • 839

              #7
              what are they developing?
              actually, i'm not certain, but i was reading about BAE's development of GPS-independent (i.e. with jamming or dead satellites) navigation methods that using the video system extrapolated the location of all objects/features in field of view, compared to known location at beginning of flight and other objects simultaneously in field of view, and constantly derives the aircraft's own location from all of this. i don't really know if that is specific to taranis though, as opposed to mantis which has also been tested in AU.
              Last edited by Snow Monkey; 14th April 2013, 09:58.

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              • bring_it_on
                2005-year of the RAPTOR!!
                • Jun 2004
                • 12480

                #8
                The wiki page says that Bae Australia is supplying the flight control systems. The type of system for navigation you are speeking off, can be developed independently on manned crafts. This UAV is probably testing it out, and validating it, in addition to providing a working INDUSTRIAL BASE for the consortium. Since it is a fairly cheap program, not a big price to pay and in return you have a healthy industrial base for such weapons.
                Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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                • TomcatViP
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Nov 2011
                  • 6122

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Snow Monkey View Post
                  what are they developing?
                  actually, i'm not certain, but i was reading about BAE's development of GPS-independent (i.e. with jamming or dead satellites) navigation methods that using the video system extrapolated the location of all objects/features in field of view, compared to known location at beginning of flight and other objects simultaneously in field of view, and constantly derives the aircraft's own location from all of this. i don't really know if that is specific to taranis though, as opposed to mantis which has also been tested in AU.
                  It's an "old" navigational mode developed ard the Raf requirements: to be able to penetrate hostile airspace at low alt (50ft) in a totally passive mode (no GPS, no TFR, no radar alimeter - only image comparison).

                  I thought this had been integrated ijn the Scalp/Apache but I might be wrong

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                  • Frosty
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 334

                    #10
                    Where are these quotes about Taranis being supersonic coming from I thought it was a high sub-sonic aircraft.

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                    • bring_it_on
                      2005-year of the RAPTOR!!
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 12480

                      #11
                      Bae's fact sheet says nothing about it being capable for supersonic flight. I am also a bit skeptical about the entire ability to go INTERCONTINENTAL distances to drop a limited payload. For such an op to be succesfull you' d need a massive vehicle that could justify intercontinental flight ..
                      Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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                      • Rii
                        Rii
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 3449

                        #12
                        "Intercontinental" is so vague a term as to be meaningless.

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                        • bring_it_on
                          2005-year of the RAPTOR!!
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 12480

                          #13
                          Yeah, beyond marketing, what they are looking for is a long range, long loiter time UCAV...Just like every other UCAV developer :-)
                          Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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                          • Grim901
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • May 2009
                            • 1143

                            #14
                            The article has plenty of inaccuracies in it. Taranis certainly isn't supersonic, or a collaboration with the French.

                            I believe the idea was for Taranis to be a testbed for a larger (possibly 2 engined) intercontinental UCAV (possible I guess at a low cruising speed and with plenty of internal fuel space and lower weight a UAV allows for). I highly doubt anything in relation to French cooperation will come of though.

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                            • TomcatViP
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Nov 2011
                              • 6122

                              #15
                              It's PR only. Nothing much. Did you hve a look at the video with the Dark Vador blinking engine air inlets with purple lights. It lacked only one thing: the word Father painted in pink on the wings.

                              If those guys costed nothing and didn't hve any influences on the design team, I wld say that this is funny. Sad...

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                              • bloodshot
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • May 2009
                                • 196

                                #16
                                Keep in mind that Taranis is a subscale technology demonstrator and so many of the capabilities being discussed here won't necessarily be possible to demonstrate using Taranis itself.

                                The intention of SUAVE (which Taranis is a product of) was to demonstrate that an unmanned platform could be used to meet the MoD's Deep & Persistent Offensive Capability (DPOC) requirement, which would have called for an operational UCAS design capable of providing global reach.

                                That intention is clearly being echoed by BAE, although it's unclear whether Taranis will actually demonstrate this capability directly.

                                An autonomous flight from Woomera to Warton would be nice though !
                                The aim of the Taranis concept is to see if an autonomous and stealthy unmanned aircraft capable of striking targets with real precision at long range, even in another continent, is even possible

                                By the same token Taranis will be powered by the Adour 951 and so is unlikely to be capable of supersonic flight as it stands.

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                                • Bager1968
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • May 2005
                                  • 3635

                                  #17
                                  How far is the intercontinental flight between RAF Gibraltar and Morocco?
                                  Germany, Austria and Italy are standing together in the middle of the pub, when Serbia bumps into Austria, and spills Austria's pint.

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                                  • topspeed
                                    Get on uppah !
                                    • Jan 2009
                                    • 2660

                                    #18
                                    30-40 km ?
                                    If it looks good, it will fly good !
                                    -Bill Lear & Marcel Dassault


                                    http://max3fan.blogspot.com/

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                                    • Bager1968
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • May 2005
                                      • 3635

                                      #19
                                      So a plane that could make that round-trip could be said to have intercontinental range?
                                      Germany, Austria and Italy are standing together in the middle of the pub, when Serbia bumps into Austria, and spills Austria's pint.

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                                      • swerve
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Jun 2005
                                        • 13612

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Bager1968 View Post
                                        How far is the intercontinental flight between RAF Gibraltar and Morocco?
                                        Further than the intercontinental ferries between Gelibolu & Eceabat or Kadıky-Eminn, let alone the intercontinental bridges from Ortaky to Beylerbeyi & Hisarst to Kavacık. :diablo:
                                        Juris praecepta sunt haec: honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere.
                                        Justinian

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