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  • Trident
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • May 2004
    • 3963

    #81
    Originally posted by TR1 View Post
    Been drinking ok, mixed up the names .
    Thought something sounded off...
    Yes, I expected there had to be an explanation

    Originally posted by soyuz1917 View Post
    This contract only concerns 105 new built "people movers." Additional contracts for specialized aircraft like refuelers and ELINT jets for the MoD are planned.

    The MoD will get -- 39 An-148's, 2 Tu-214's, 11 Tu-204SM's.

    The Presidential administration, which is charged with ferrying about VIP's will get -- 6 An-148's, 6 Tu-214's, 8 Il-96-300's, and 1 Tu-204-300.

    The FSB will get -- 4 An-148's, 2 Tu-214's, 1 Il-476, and 2 Tu-204-300's.

    The MVD will get -- 6 An-148's 2 Tu-204SM's, and 2 SSJ's.

    The Ministry of Emergencies (commie FEMA) will get -- 2 An-148's, 4 Il-476's and 1 Tu-204-300.

    Roscosmos will get -- 3 Tu-214's, and 3 SSJ's.
    100 airliners with at least 75 seats each - what the hell do they think they need that for?! Anyone want to work out how many people they'd have to fly annually for that fleet to make sense? I have a strong premonition the result is not going to be reconcilable with any conceivable level of demand from the agencies that are supposed to need these aircraft...

    Clue: in total, these government departments have about 3 million employees. With a fleet 60% the size of the above by standard one-class seating capacity, S7 moves about 6 million passengers annually.

    Sure, certain high-ranking officials and their staff are going to fly very frequently indeed, and seating would be reduced for some aircraft due to VIP interiors, but chances are this still represents a ridiculous capacity oversupply. Especially bearing in mind that at least part of the current Rossiya fleet will continue to be utilised and has not been counted in yet - neither have the 60 An-140s recently ordered!

    This order could easily be slashed by 70% and still leave the various agencies very well-equipped, with the savings spent on acquiring aircraft Russia actually needs - like tankers, AWACS and MPAs based on the Il-96/Tu-204. I mean, there is nothing wrong with a make-work programme if it results in something that is of real use, but just throwing money away for no gain is just wasteful. There is a fair chance this contract will never be fully implemented because it would be plainly unsustainable, so I would not hold my breath.
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    • Berkut
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2011
      • 2216

      #82
      Somewhat a continuation of what was discussed in J-20 thread. I always assumed that stinger was same length of Su-35S as on Su-27, but that doesn't seem to be the case! With some help of a friend of mine and after lots of pictures:



      So Su-35S is a bit longer than Su-27.

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      • Trident
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • May 2004
        • 3963

        #83
        Note that #01 has a non-standard, longer stinger, possibly containing a drag chute as on T-50 #051! I would expect a fully production representative airframe to be the same length as a vanilla Su-27.
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        • Berkut
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2011
          • 2216

          #84
          Originally posted by Trident View Post
          Note that #01 has a non-standard, longer stinger, possibly containing a drag chute as on T-50 #051! I would expect a fully production representative airframe to be the same length as a vanilla Su-27.
          Hmm now that you say it i am reminded of that shiny metal ring that is seen on S-1 "nekkid" pictures. I think that one is extra on S-1 only vs prototypes and later models. So yeah, that explains it, Su-35S length is same as Su-27 then!

          Notice S-1 doesn't have actuators for cone to open, so if it has chute, then it is activated same way as on "51". If it is, then than means S-1 have done stall tests and extra length comes from extra big parachute or something related.

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          • mack8
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Nov 2009
            • 2114

            #85
            I think the cone length is the same on the Su-35Ss, only that on S-1 there are no antennas or CHFL dispensers or the chute.

            Regretably, when Knaapo put their high-rez images up , i got lazy downloading the Su-35S-2 pics bar one image (which i will post), which unfortunately does not seems to be part of the gallery anymore (i don't think anyone saved the Su-35S galleries in their original form by any chance -before the bandwidth issue? )

            You can compare this pic of S-2 to S-1 pretty well i think.

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            • stambe_mig
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Jan 2009
              • 15

              #86
              First Happy New Year and marry Christmas!
              I got this picture:

              About Миг-31БМ
              We see on the picture search radar range is 240 km. but on the video below pilot has say that new Миг-31БМ increase radar range double, or if new Миг-31БМ has radar range 240km, what about basic Mig-31 , his radar range should be 120km.! The myth about 400km. radar range is fake?
              [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le-8aoWovhc[/youtube]
              Last edited by stambe_mig; 2nd January 2013, 20:52.

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              • mack8
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Nov 2009
                • 2114

                #87
                Isn't the detection range for a fighter size target about 120km for the "legacy" Zaslon? Guess we don't know yet for what target size that 240km figure refers to.
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                • Berkut
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2011
                  • 2216

                  #88
                  Originally posted by mack8 View Post
                  I think the cone length is the same on the Su-35Ss, only that on S-1 there are no antennas or CHFL dispensers or the chute.

                  You can compare this pic of S-2 to S-1 pretty well i think.
                  Nah, with some comparing i found exactly what panels to remove to shorten the S-1 stinger, and then it is about same length as Su-27 (just some pixels short, but that is ok). I have all S-2 pics in high res, but there is not proper side on.

                  S-2 is shorter for sure. Besides, if one counts the panelines there is future proof. 4 lines on S-2 vs 6 (because of metal plug) on S-1.

                  All high res pictures are available if you go to russian version of the site.
                  Last edited by Berkut; 2nd January 2013, 21:40.

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                  • mack8
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 2114

                    #89
                    Well either i need an eye check , or the pic of S-2 i posted above is not in the high-rez KnAAPO gallery. Anyway, just a small item, perhaps it's been posted somewhere else (or i accidentaly entered the KnAAPO computers )
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                    • Berkut
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2011
                      • 2216

                      #90
                      Originally posted by mack8 View Post
                      Well either i need an eye check , or the pic of S-2 i posted above is not in the high-rez KnAAPO gallery. Anyway, just a small item, perhaps it's been posted somewhere else (or i accidentaly entered the KnAAPO computers )
                      I don't see picture in your post. However, if i quote it, i do see the link. I do have that picture as well, but it isn't side on. And it is on the site, it is just that thumbnail doesn't reflect it. Click on second picture.

                      http://www.knaapo.ru/rus/gallery/eve..._ser_su-35.wbp

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                      • MadRat
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 5033

                        #91
                        400km range is when four operate in sync using a data chain method of scanning. It is purely a search mode, not a tracking mode.
                        Go Huskers!

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                        • mack8
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 2114

                          #92






                          Courtesy Djox @mycitymilitary
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                          • haavarla
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 6672

                            #93
                            Nice. There can never be enough Flanker Pics in this thread

                            One of the four Su-30M2 i presume?

                            Edit:
                            Wait a minute..
                            Thats not a Su-30M2.

                            It got a singel nose wheel, the IRIST is on senter of canopy..
                            Must be an older Su-27UB then..
                            Last edited by haavarla; 18th January 2013, 15:49.
                            Thanks

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                            • martinez
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 1209

                              #94
                              Long awaited dark Flanker, are you happy now?? Geez, but glossy paint.., looks ugly, hopefully new MOD orders will clear up this mess with camouflage even in Russian MRO bussines.
                              <Find a job you like doing, and you'll never have to work a day in your life>

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                              • martinez
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Mar 2005
                                • 1209

                                #95
                                Originally posted by haavarla View Post
                                Nice. There can never be enough Flanker Pics in this thread

                                One of the four Su-30M2 i presume?
                                overhauled UB I think...
                                <Find a job you like doing, and you'll never have to work a day in your life>

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                                • mack8
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Nov 2009
                                  • 2114

                                  #96
                                  Originally posted by haavarla View Post
                                  Nice. There can never be enough Flanker Pics in this thread

                                  One of the four Su-30M2 i presume?
                                  Nah, it's a standard Su-27UB.
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                                  • Berkut
                                    Senior Member
                                    • Nov 2011
                                    • 2216

                                    #97
                                    Originally posted by martinez View Post
                                    Long awaited dark Flanker, are you happy now?? Geez, but glossy paint.., looks ugly, hopefully new MOD orders will clear up this mess with camouflage even in Russian MRO bussines.
                                    That is just 20'th ARZ having fun.

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                                    • Freehand
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • May 2012
                                      • 986

                                      #98
                                      Strike Flanker

                                      Presenting the Su-27UB 'Strike Flanker'.

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                                      • J-31 Burrito
                                        Senior Member
                                        • Nov 2012
                                        • 295

                                        #99
                                        Originally posted by martinez View Post
                                        Long awaited dark Flanker, are you happy now?? Geez, but glossy paint.., looks ugly, hopefully new MOD orders will clear up this mess with camouflage even in Russian MRO bussines.
                                        indeed why glossy and why inconsistency.
                                        best grey so far is the new Su-35 one.

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                                        • Griffon39
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • Mar 2008
                                          • 922

                                          Sigh.. Can't they just let the Algerians or Indians paint all RuAF flankers (yes all of them, regardles of what numerical or alfabetical suffix they may have) and then be over and done with all these endless glossy LSD-patterns once and for all??

                                          FFS, how hard could it be? Cant take much more now...

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