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  • TR1
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    • Oct 2010
    • 9826

    http://alexeyvvo.livejournal.com/29949.html

    In 2012, Progress made 20 Ka-52s (some of them shipped for assembly at Rostov.)
    Cost per bird was 26 million USD.

    Also 11 Ka-226 were built last year.
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    • Berkut
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      • Nov 2011
      • 2216

      Any good price numbers for most recent AH-64's? For instance those that are built/assembled in Korea?

      26 mil is a lot...

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      • totoro
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        • Apr 2006
        • 1026

        Scramble has finally updated their Russian Orbat page. http://www.scramblemagazine.nl/orbats/russia

        Sadly, it looks as it is work in progess as some stuff is missing, so there's no way of knowing if the data that is presented is final. Hopefully in the coming months things will be more clear.

        I do have one question: If aviation bases in new restructuring are composed of several airfields - how are aviation groups structured? Scramble doesn't mention anything smaller than the aviation group, yet it seems even the aviation group is a fairly large unit, sometimes composed of several completely different types of planes.

        For example, under 6983 AvB there is 4 Aviatsionnaya Groupa listed as having both mig31 and su27. There are a few more of similar cases. Does that mean that aviation group is basically a regiment sized unit which is further subdivided to squadrons? If so, how many squadrons are usually present and how many planes are usually are there for a certain kind of plane? 12 planes per squadron? 2-3 squadrons per aviation group? Something else?

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        • haavarla
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          • Dec 2008
          • 6715

          We allready talked about this remember.

          http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/sho...&postcount=498

          There can be up to four Squadron(AvGr) in the same airfield, perhaps even more in the future as things progress and gets more sentrelized in each Air Base(AvB). I mean fewer and larger AvGr..

          Some of those Mig-31 (AvGr) looks to have 3-4 Squadrons on each Airfields.

          So one of those 1st grade Super bases can have both several AvGr from same Airfield or other airfields under its command.
          One AvGr can range from a old Regiment size(several Sq) and down to less than a Squadron size.
          The list state which type of units, but not how many.
          Last edited by haavarla; 2nd April 2013, 15:10.
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          • totoro
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            • Apr 2006
            • 1026

            I know we talked about it but i hoped scramble would shed a bit more light onto it.
            I do hope avgr will get more standardized as time goes on, so we don't have to guess whether one avgr has just one squadron and another one four of them.

            There are 4 avg with mig31 in that list. So, on average, 3 squadrons per avg, making up some 12 squadrons for a total of 144 planes. In reality probably a squadron less, perhaps some of those combined avg with both mig31 and su27 mean there is just 1 or 2 mig31 squadrons in them.

            Of course, if squadrons themselves arent standardized either and range from under 12 to 16 or even more planes - then to hell with any sort of list. That'd make the whole thing an enigma impossible to dechiper.

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            • haavarla
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              • Dec 2008
              • 6715

              totoro;2009022]Scramble has finally updated their Russian Orbat page. http://www.scramblemagazine.nl/orbats/russia

              Sadly, it looks as it is work in progess as some stuff is missing, so there's no way of knowing if the data that is presented is final. Hopefully in the coming months things will be more clear.
              That link is good, but its incomplete.

              4th VVS/POV Command(Southern Military District) Rostov-on-Don:

              6972nd AvB Krymsk is one of those 1st grade super bases. Which contain:


              AvGr 6972nd AvB(Krymsk) Mi-8, Su-27/UB, Su-27SM, Su-30M2.
              AvGr 6972nd AvB(Millerovo) Mig-29/UB.
              AvGr 6972nd AvB(Primorosko/Akhtarsk) Su-25/UB
              AvGr 6972nd AvB(Rostov-on-Don) An-12, An-26, Mi-8, Il-20M, Il-22M, Tu-134
              AvGr 6972nd AvB(Morozovsk) Su-24, Su-24M
              AvGr 6972nd AvB(Budyonnovsk) Su-25/UB, Su-25SM
              AvGr 6972nd AvB(Marinovka) Su-24MR

              1st VVS/PVO Command8Western military district) Voronezh
              1st AvGr 7000th AvB Voronezh/Baltimore(first grade superbase)


              1st AvGr 7000th AvB(Voronezh/Baltimore)
              An-30, Mi-8, Mig-25RG, Mig-25RU, Su-24MR, Su-34.

              2nd AvGr 7000th AvB(Petrozavodsk/Besovets) Su-27/UB
              3rd AvGr 7000th AvB(Monchegorsk) Su-24M, Su-24MR, Mig-25RB, Mig-25RU, Mig-31/B/BM

              4th AvGr 7000th AvB(Kothilovo) Mig-31B, Su-27/UB
              5th AvGr 7000th AvB(Khalino/Kursk East) Mig-29/UB, Mig-29SMT/UBT
              6th AvGr 7000th AvB(Levashovo/St Petersburg) An-12, An-26, Il-22, Mi-8, Tu-134

              7th AvGr 7000th AvB(Chkalovskiy/Kaliningrad) Mi-8, Mi-24, Su-27/UB

              8th? AvGr 7000th AvB(Chernyakhovsk) Su-24M
              9th? AvGr 7000th AvB(Kaluga/Grabtsevo) Mi-24, Mi-8

              Those last two are scetchy, possible second grade AvGr..
              Last edited by haavarla; 2nd April 2013, 15:40.
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              • haavarla
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                • Dec 2008
                • 6715

                Originally posted by totoro View Post
                I know we talked about it but i hoped scramble would shed a bit more light onto it.
                I do hope avgr will get more standardized as time goes on, so we don't have to guess whether one avgr has just one squadron and another one four of them.

                There are 4 avg with mig31 in that list. So, on average, 3 squadrons per avg, making up some 12 squadrons for a total of 144 planes. In reality probably a squadron less, perhaps some of those combined avg with both mig31 and su27 mean there is just 1 or 2 mig31 squadrons in them.

                Of course, if squadrons themselves arent standardized either and range from under 12 to 16 or even more planes - then to hell with any sort of list. That'd make the whole thing an enigma impossible to dechiper.
                Yeah i know. Its very hard to figure out exactly how many units in each AvGr.
                Some up to Sq size, but several under Sq size.. like those Mig-25, its only a few units.. if they are operational at all..
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                • TR1
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                  • Oct 2010
                  • 9826

                  http://bmpd.livejournal.com/491764.html

                  Correction- 21 Ka-52s were made in 2012. 9 were made in 2011.

                  18 Mi-28N were also built, along with 29 Mi-35s ( 18 export + 11 domestic).

                  Pretty excellent numbers all in all, 50 new attack helos for the RuAF in 2012 alone. Confirms what we already knew, the attack helo force's future is clear and safe. At this pace the whole fleet can be renewed within several years.

                  6 Ansat-U and 11 Ka-226 were also built in 2012.
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                  • TR1
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                    • Oct 2010
                    • 9826

                    Originally posted by Berkut View Post
                    Any good price numbers for most recent AH-64's? For instance those that are built/assembled in Korea?

                    26 mil is a lot...
                    Apache numbers are a lot higher (I have seen anywhere from 32 to 52 million per bird).

                    Considering the equipment on Ka-52s being delivered today, 26 million is a solid deal.
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                    • J-31 Burrito
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2012
                      • 295

                      Originally posted by TR1 View Post
                      Apache numbers are a lot higher (I have seen anywhere from 32 to 52 million per bird).

                      Considering the equipment on Ka-52s being delivered today, 26 million is a solid deal.
                      Australian Tigres are 31 million, so hokums are pretty nice deal. don't know about operating costs.

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                      • mack8
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 2114

                        How much would it be for a Mi-28N ?
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                        NO to WAR!

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                        • TR1
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                          • Oct 2010
                          • 9826

                          Apparently Mi-28N costs barely less.
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                          • KRATOS1133
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                            • Mar 2013
                            • 37

                            A-50U
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                            Last edited by KRATOS1133; 4th April 2013, 12:37.

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                            • JangBoGo
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 1510

                              ^^^ A-50U looks very nice!


                              Some IL-112 pictures. I hope it is not too big and within forum rules.




                              http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-712.html
                              There was an earlier report about Il-112 being offered to IAF requirement of light/medium transport aircraft.

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                              • Austin
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Oct 2003
                                • 6512

                                More likely RuAF would stick with An-140 project and build it as their light transport aircraft , its far less risky , its available , more or less similar to IL-112
                                "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                                • TR1
                                  TR1
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                                  • Oct 2010
                                  • 9826

                                  Well apparently Russia is buying/bought all rights to An-140T from Ukraine, so we will see.

                                  http://russianplanes.net/images/to104000/103314.jpg

                                  Crappy paint on Su-34 peeling off. Heat from engines?
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                                  • martinez
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Mar 2005
                                    • 1209

                                    Originally posted by TR1 View Post

                                    http://russianplanes.net/images/to104000/103314.jpg

                                    Crappy paint on Su-34 peeling off. Heat from engines?
                                    seems to be related to that carc resistant paint on engine fairings only, heat could be a catalyst, but I think it is rather obvious, fckd-up overpainting proccess, no adhesion, incompatibility between two paint layers, or solvent being used in the new paint, .....funny, NAPO will cut monthly salaries of the paintshop workers again....
                                    <Find a job you like doing, and you'll never have to work a day in your life>

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                                    • haavarla
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Dec 2008
                                      • 6715

                                      Looking more closely, it looks like the paint has peeled off due the the rocket jet plume upon launching.

                                      See behind the airduct pylon..
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                                      • Berkut
                                        Senior Member
                                        • Nov 2011
                                        • 2216

                                        Originally posted by haavarla View Post
                                        Looking more closely, it looks like the paint has peeled off due the the rocket jet plume upon launching.

                                        See behind the airduct pylon..
                                        Indeed, because it is well known fact free fall bombs have jet plumes.



                                        Bonus picture.
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                                        • haavarla
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • Dec 2008
                                          • 6715

                                          Ah, so its impossible for the Su-34 to launch any missile from those Airduct pylons? Missiles like Kh-31P?

                                          Nice try though
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