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  • Snow Monkey
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Feb 2009
    • 839

    they're offering an attack capable version of Yak-130,
    making it available for export doesn't necessarily indicate RuAF interest,
    although having it available mean they can consider it also.

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    • Berkut
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2011
      • 2216

      ^Indeed.

      Three more Su-35S' coming up...

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      • Griffon39
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        • Mar 2008
        • 922

        Originally posted by Berkut View Post
        ^For it to magically become light fighter.
        That's exactely what I feared. Well, I hope they know what they are doing (and I'm sure they probbably do) and dont let them selves be dragged into the glamorous looking but Ruble/USD/EUR-eating "Light Fighter"-trap.

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        • mack8
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          • Nov 2009
          • 2114

          Originally posted by Berkut View Post
          ^Indeed.

          Three more Su-35S' coming up...
          Great news. Borts red 09 , red 11 ( thanks djox) and red 12
          All credit goes to PhotoMius (sp?)




          Last edited by mack8; 9th February 2013, 12:35.
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          • Berkut
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2011
            • 2216

            So last one is 11? They sure love to f*ck with us b/n wise. No sign of 10 or 5...

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            • Rii
              Rii
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              • Oct 2010
              • 3449

              Originally posted by Griffon39 View Post
              That's exactely what I feared. Well, I hope they know what they are doing (and I'm sure they probbably do) and dont let them selves be dragged into the glamorous looking but Ruble/USD/EUR-eating "Light Fighter"-trap.
              Why is this a trap? Modern combat aircraft are too complex and expensive for many nations to operate, and even nations that can afford top-tier gear would appreciate inexpensive aircraft suited to less demanding operations, e.g. France in its African Adventures.

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              • Griffon39
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Mar 2008
                • 922

                Originally posted by Rii
                Why is this a trap? Modern combat aircraft are too complex and expensive for many nations to operate, and even nations that can afford top-tier gear would appreciate inexpensive aircraft suited to less demanding operations, e.g. France in its African Adventures.
                Oh, really? And pray tell how much sucess have all the various souped up single-seat versions-of-small-two-seat-trainers had on the international market over the years? Hell, not even JF-17 (which arguably is the most capable of all current "light fighters") has managed to score any sales outside PRC/Pakistan.
                What country -that faces a credible military threath and is serious about its armed forces- has recently dropped the traditional fighter jet concept in favour of these "super trainers"? How is T-50 doing? Tejas? Hawk 200?

                And the thing is, if you start to add to all these facy bells and whisles like AESA-radars, HMDs and what not -just to market it as a "fighter" -it wont take long until your little pet project isnt very cheap anymore. And then there will be even less logical reasons for a sane customer to buy it.

                Not even the African countries seem to fall for it. Uganda is going for Flankers. 10 times the bang for twice the price..

                And about France and Mali.. Why would the French want any slow and vounerable AESA-equipped trainers to buzz around in? If they want anything less expencive than a Rafalle/K2K for lower risk missions they all ready have the F1. Not to mention UAVs and crussies.

                IMHO, trainers are trainers. Some secondary light strike capacity if need be is a great bonus. But leave it at that. Its chief purpose is to train new pilots so that they eventually can move on to the reall, destignated killing machines.

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                • mack8
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 2114

                  Apparently that twin-engine UAV is called Altius-M:
                  http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-719.html
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                  • MSphere
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 8983

                    Originally posted by Berkut View Post
                    So last one is 11? They sure love to f*ck with us b/n wise. No sign of 10 or 5...
                    05 featured on page 22

                    http://en.take-off.ru/pdf_to/to25.pdf

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                    • haavarla
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 6695

                      Originally posted by mack8 View Post
                      Great news. Borts red 09 , red 11 ( thanks djox) and red 12
                      All credit goes to PhotoMius (sp?)




                      Those pics link does not work.. pls repost them
                      Thanks

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                      • Jō Asakura
                        多聞天
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 1302

                        haavarla,

                        http://bmpd.livejournal.com/455595.html
                        http://russianplanes.net/id97061
                        http://russianplanes.net/id97063
                        http://russianplanes.net/id97088
                        sigpic

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                        • Trident
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • May 2004
                          • 3965

                          SUCH a pretty machine! Even the light blue underside has grown on me a bit, although I still maintain they should either go back to the three-tone blue top side or paint the entire aircraft in dark grey (ideally matt, rather than the relatively glossy finish it has currently).
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                          • Trident
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • May 2004
                            • 3965

                            Very evocative picture:

                            http://russianplanes.net/id97106
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                            • owais.usmani
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Jul 2011
                              • 130



                              :diablo:

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                              • mack8
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Nov 2009
                                • 2114

                                Su-35S (09,11,12) gallery:
                                http://ru-aviation.livejournal.com/2517539.html

                                Su-34 galleries:
                                http://www.kommersant.ru/gallery/pic/826348
                                http://dmitrydreamer.livejournal.com/41295.html
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                                • Berkut
                                  Senior Member
                                  • Nov 2011
                                  • 2216

                                  Originally posted by MSphere View Post
                                  That would be 06, and that picture has been available on KnAAPO site for some time.

                                  Thanks for the links mack.

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                                  • Twinblade
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Apr 2011
                                    • 1846

                                    Russian Knights at Aero India 2013




















                                    Last edited by Twinblade; 12th February 2013, 16:35.
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                                    • blackwood
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Dec 2011
                                      • 314

                                      Is there something wrong with the pak-fa blogg. I cant get past page 4, which ended 9 th feb, yet people have been adding to it since then. Both home computer and mobile show same.

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                                      • Rii
                                        Rii
                                        Senior Member
                                        • Oct 2010
                                        • 3449

                                        ^ Yeah there's some problem with that thread for sure.

                                        Originally posted by mack8 View Post
                                        Not necessarily a great Su-35 shot, just a great shot!
                                        Attached Files
                                        Last edited by Rii; 13th February 2013, 11:13.

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                                        • Flanker_man
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • Jan 2000
                                          • 3679

                                          Originally posted by blackwood View Post
                                          Is there something wrong with the pak-fa blogg. I cant get past page 4, which ended 9 th feb, yet people have been adding to it since then. Both home computer and mobile show same.
                                          If you click on the 'Post Reply' button you can see all the latest posts in reverse order below the reply window.

                                          Its a 'dirty' solution to the temporary(?) problem.

                                          Ken
                                          Flanker Freak & Russian Aviation Enthusiast.
                                          Flankers (& others) website at :-
                                          http://flankers.co.uk/

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