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  • haavarla
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Dec 2008
    • 6693

    About NAPO. They have other production orders besides the Su-34.
    Russian Aviation prospect will only gain from re-tooling NAPO.
    After the HellDucks orders are through, they will shift their production to other products, thus keeping the workforce and their skills.

    A win win situation if you ask me..
    Thanks

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    • Berkut
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2011
      • 2216

      Originally posted by haavarla View Post
      Thats why the Su-34 program took forever, not because of its complexity or size.
      Its not a very large or demanding program.
      So, what is it, large and complex or NOT large and complex?

      Because i reacted to you saying that it is NOT complex. Also, it is shmuck (or schmuck), get it right fool.

      I am perfectly aware the program got **** all funding but =/= equal to it NOT being complex.

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      • Berkut
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2011
        • 2216

        Originally posted by mack8 View Post
        PS: Any news of when the Su-35S's from KnAAPO will be transferred to Akhtubinsk? ( i suspect those that are already there -3 or 4?- count against the 6)
        Yeah, i read some days ago about it; Going by memory, due to be transfered to Akhtu by the end of the week, 6 of them. Silly to say it is 6 of them tho, considering S-1 til S-4 are already there. Unless KnAAPO has built S-8, S-9 and S-10. But so far only seen confirmation of bort numbers up to and including 07 (S-7).

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        • Twinblade
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Apr 2011
          • 1846

          Originally posted by paralay View Post
          Su-30MKI
          for the Russian Air Force - 1.2 billion rubles / $ 40 million
          for the Indian Air Force - 2.6 billion rubles / $ 87 million

          Su-34
          Russian Air Force to 0.9 - 1.1 billion rubles / $ 37 million
          Actually the last contract that was signed was for half the value you are quoting, at around $40 mil each. There was a separate contract for engines so I think that might not have been included in the $40 mil. The last flyaway cost quoted for a 'made in India' Su-30 was around $50-$60 mil late 2011. http://www.icast.org.in/news/2011/nov11/nov02ia.pdf
          Last edited by Twinblade; 25th January 2013, 02:44.
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          • Bellum
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Jul 2010
            • 118

            23

            24&25

            26

            27
            http://russianplanes.net/id95863
            Last edited by Bellum; 25th January 2013, 16:48.

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            • mack8
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Nov 2009
              • 2114

              Originally posted by Berkut View Post
              Yeah, i read some days ago about it; Going by memory, due to be transfered to Akhtu by the end of the week, 6 of them. Silly to say it is 6 of them tho, considering S-1 til S-4 are already there. Unless KnAAPO has built S-8, S-9 and S-10. But so far only seen confirmation of bort numbers up to and including 07 (S-7).
              http://function.mil.ru/for_media/eve...orfSimpleEvent

              Apparently it should happen on the 28th (Monday) . Still not clear if it's 6 being flown from KnAAPO or 6 formally induced (with 3-bort 05 , 06, 07 red?- to come from KnAAPO). Since at the moment there are at least SEVEN Su-35S, perhaps 01 black will not be transferred to VVS and will be retained as a dogship, since it's fairly non-standard.


              PS: Oh, great to see the new Hellducks arriving at Voronezh. How many are in service now again , 25?
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              • Berkut
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2011
                • 2216

                Originally posted by mack8 View Post
                http://function.mil.ru/for_media/eve...orfSimpleEvent

                Apparently it should happen on the 28th (Monday) . Still not clear if it's 6 being flown from KnAAPO or 6 formally induced (with 3-bort 05 , 06, 07 red?- to come from KnAAPO). Since at the moment there are at least SEVEN Su-35S, perhaps 01 black will not be transferred to VVS and will be retained as a dogship, since it's fairly non-standard.


                PS: Oh, great to see the new Hellducks arriving at Voronezh. How many are in service now again , 25?
                Ah here we go, maybe the news i read said Monday. Cool that they are inviting to Akhtu, very few spotters there, hence why i dont look forward to T-50 being transfered to there...

                And yes, there is some confusion about what they actually mean with those 6 fighters. As i said, four of them are in GLITs already, so if 6 newly built Su-35S arrive from KnAAPO it will be... surprising. If not, S-1 is the biggest candidate to not be induced indeed.

                Yup, 25 is correct although first one is not flying anymore i think.
                Last edited by Berkut; 25th January 2013, 19:28.

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                • Trident
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • May 2004
                  • 3965

                  I don't think I've seen the Indian MiG-29UPG with Kh-31s before:

                  http://www.airliners.net/photo/India...UPG/2218049/L/

                  Which is odd, as this photo appears to have been taken during MAKS 2011 - you'd expect a handful of images to have turned up, with so many cameras available to snap one!
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                  • mack8
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                    • Nov 2009
                    • 2114

                    Originally posted by Trident View Post
                    I don't think I've seen the Indian MiG-29UPG with Kh-31s before:

                    http://www.airliners.net/photo/India...UPG/2218049/L/

                    Which is odd, as this photo appears to have been taken during MAKS 2011 - you'd expect a handful of images to have turned up, with so many cameras available to snap one!
                    Neither do i, since that's a H-35 ( or westernized, Kh-35 ). Most likely it was not taken during the show, or taken in area with not alot of access.
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                    • Flanker_man
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Jan 2000
                      • 3679

                      Originally posted by mack8 View Post
                      Most likely it was not taken during the show, or taken in area with not alot of access.
                      According to the info on the photo it was taken at MAKS on Friday 19 August 2011.

                      It was taken from the south side of the runway - from about where I was on the Saturday - but it didn't show on that day

                      I was also there on the Thursday - and photographed the 'museum' aircraft that you can see in the background of the MiG-29 photo.....



                      Note also the row of public toilets behind the MiG.

                      I wonder why it only made one appearance - when I wasn't there!!!

                      Ken
                      Flanker Freak & Russian Aviation Enthusiast.
                      Flankers (& others) website at :-
                      http://flankers.co.uk/

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                      • ha27
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 520

                        no comment

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                        • haavarla
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 6693

                          Three more Mig-31BM Delivered.

                          Interesting read about the upgrade, but no details though.

                          http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2013/1/25/1481/
                          Thanks

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                          • Berkut
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2011
                            • 2216

                            Originally posted by ha27 View Post
                            That is less than half of them. Hopefully next year we will see the in the original camo, but with new stars... (back to pre 1943 it is)

                            PS: Still no such thing as "Mig". /Namenazi.

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                            • mack8
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                              • Nov 2009
                              • 2114

                              What will be difference between today's star and the future one (like pre 1943), no white outline ?
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                              • Dr.Snufflebug
                                Boggleboople snufflebug
                                • Aug 2012
                                • 527

                                Originally posted by mack8 View Post
                                What will be difference between today's star and the future one (like pre 1943), no white outline ?
                                Yeah, pre '43 it was just plain red.
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                                • TR1
                                  TR1
                                  http://tiny.cc/tp8kd
                                  • Oct 2010
                                  • 9814

                                  Note the KAB on Hellduck 12.

                                  http://dmitrydreamer.livejournal.com/40237.html

                                  More great pics.
                                  Last edited by TR1; 27th January 2013, 04:35.
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                                  • Flanker_man
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Jan 2000
                                    • 3679

                                    Originally posted by TR1 View Post
                                    Note the KAB on Hellduck 12.

                                    http://dmitrydreamer.livejournal.com/40237.html

                                    More great pics.
                                    I spent 10 minutes looking for a KAB in the link above - and wondered what you were talking about....

                                    Then I realised you meant Hellduck 12 in the photo in post #311

                                    Confused of Malmesbury.....
                                    Flanker Freak & Russian Aviation Enthusiast.
                                    Flankers (& others) website at :-
                                    http://flankers.co.uk/

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                                    • ink
                                      ink
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Jan 2000
                                      • 3575

                                      Note the KAB on Hellduck 12.
                                      Guided weapons. Yay!
                                      Regards, Ivan

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                                      • Twinblade
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Apr 2011
                                        • 1846

                                        Originally posted by Trident View Post
                                        I don't think I've seen the Indian MiG-29UPG with Kh-31s before:

                                        http://www.airliners.net/photo/India...UPG/2218049/L/

                                        Which is odd, as this photo appears to have been taken during MAKS 2011 - you'd expect a handful of images to have turned up, with so many cameras available to snap one!
                                        That is definitely a new one.
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                                        • Berkut
                                          Senior Member
                                          • Nov 2011
                                          • 2216

                                          It either flew several times during the show.

                                          I have several shots of it from MAKS 11 without Kh-35. Knew i had seen it with it before:

                                          http://www.airliners.net/photo/India...5a97f6c91c08ef
                                          Last edited by Berkut; 27th January 2013, 13:23.

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