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    There will be some structural differences internally compared to the Mk1, based on feedback for improving maintenance. But primary differences will be related to the AESA radar, cooling and power generation. Air to air refueling piping and probe attachment should be possible as well. With some expense, it likely can be upgraded to bring it to Mk1A standard.

    After all even Jaguar DARIN IIs are being upgraded to DARIN III standard and those entail changes to avionics and radar.

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      Looks like the Israeli Elta 2052 has been chosen over the Thales RBE2 derivative AESA radar for the Tejas Mk1A. Final price negotiations are on-going prior to the contract signature.

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      The home grown Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) is set to be equipped with Israeli super radars that will give it the combat edge to engage multiple air and ground targets simultaneously. Israeli firm ELTA is likely to shortly bag an order for a new set of AESA (Active Electronically Scanned Array) radars for an air force order of 83 LCA Mk 1A jets.

      The Israeli firm appears to have beat off competition from French firm Thales for the contract that has been in the works since 2016. Sources said that advanced negotiations are now on to finalise the contract at the earliest for early delivery of the combat enhanced jets to the Indian Air Force.

      The ELTA radar is a derivate of the EL/M-2052 Active Electronically Scanning Array (AESA) that has also been equipped onboard the Jaguar DARIN III fighter jets of the air force. It has been selected for the LCA program ahead of the French Thales RBE2 radar derivative. Earlier, other suitors including the Americans and Swedes dropped out of the competition.

      The integration of an AESA radar is a pre requisite to the air force order that also mandates equipping the fighters with beyond visual range missiles and an electronic warfare suite. The radars give much more range and engagement potential to fighters, enabling them to engage targets from a distance without getting detected. The AESA will give the LCA an edge over fighter of a similar weight category that are operating in the region with conventional radars.
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        Not yet confirmed by either IAF or HAL.

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          Manu Pubby is generally well informed no? Quite logical in the end... Common radaar (or so) with Darin etc.

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            Dumb..
            if that radar news is true.

            the Thales AESA is based on a proven variant, less risk, and would share the same support, spares and other things as their Raffie

            but I guess I shouldn't be surprised they went for another new type because having a wide diversity is their thing

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              Originally posted by J-20 View Post
              Dumb..
              if that radar news is true.

              the Thales AESA is based on a proven variant, less risk, and would share the same support, spares and other things as their Raffie

              but I guess I shouldn't be surprised they went for another new type because having a wide diversity is their thing
              Both types will be operational, so at the end it is matter of cost, source code and performance.

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                Dumb..
                if that radar news is true.

                the Thales AESA is based on a proven variant, less risk, and would share the same support, spares and other things as their Raffie

                but I guess I shouldn't be surprised they went for another new type because having a wide diversity is their thing
                Actually, the Elta 2052 is operational on the DARIN 3 Jaguar in the IAF.

                And it follows on from the Elta 2032, which is operational on the Mk1. The back end and its algorithms will be somewhat similar on the 2 sets, with the front end different. Also, it will likely be easier to re-integrate the weapons and the DASH/Targo HMDS that have already been integrated and tested on the Mk1.

                Being the incumbent radar supplier on the Tejas program, Elta was always considered to be the front runner for this program, so its not that surprising.

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                  RBE2 deviates from an already troubled development schedule.
                  Go Huskers!

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                    RBE2 deviates from an already troubled development schedule.
                    Please develop? It is going to be fun.


                    DASH/Targo HMDS that have already been integrated and tested on the Mk1.
                    Targo is already implemented on Qatari RAfale.

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                      IAF to give its Tejas jets the Meteor missile edge

                      "The request for proposal has asked the aircraft to be equipped with a long range beyond visual range missile of the class of Meteor which can take out enemy aircraft in the range of more than 100 kilometres. This would help the LCA get an edge over the aircraft with adversaries," said government sources.
                      Source:
                      India Today.in

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                        Good luck with 2052

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                          roflmao.. so we had a bunch of people try to justify the Elta radar over Thales, and then immediately after is news that the IAF wants to integrate Meteor.. a missile that is already integrated on the Thales set.

                          non-sensical IAF acquisition continues!

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                            roflmao.. so we had a bunch of people try to justify the Elta radar over Thales, and then immediately after is news that the IAF wants to integrate Meteor.. a missile that is already integrated on the Thales set.

                            non-sensical IAF acquisition continues!
                            Yet another example of the politico-military circus members demonstrating their inability to think/plan/manage their way out of a paper bag?
                            Sum ergo cogito

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                              notice that nothing says specifically that it has to be an MBDA Meteor. They mention only the Meteor as a class of missile*. And then Meteor is integrated with Saab aircraft and planned to be on F-35, some very specific airframe where Thales systems plays at least a minor role.

                              *it's possible that the leverage to get the contract was to integrate a long range missile on Teja, something that the Israelis agreed to do when Thales hypothetically did not

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                                ^ yes but they are not purchasing the Gripen or F-35. They are purchasing the Tejas.
                                the Gripen and F-35 had customers willing to pay for the integration of the Meteor to their radars. None of which are Elta models.

                                This means India more or less is opting to pay more money to research its integration. Unless what you say is true, that Elta offered to front the costs of which.

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                                  I see more Israelis offering to field a new design developed b/w them.
                                  Last edited by TomcatViP; 17th May 2018, 18:14.

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                                    ^ yes but they are not purchasing the Gripen or F-35. They are purchasing the Tejas.
                                    the Gripen and F-35 had customers willing to pay for the integration of the Meteor to their radars. None of which are Elta models.

                                    This means India more or less is opting to pay more money to research its integration. Unless what you say is true, that Elta offered to front the costs of which.
                                    Dude, relax. No need to get your panties in a knot.

                                    There has been no confirmation of any integration or selection of Meteor for the Tejas. There is the I-Derby ER that was being pushed for the 100 km+ range BVRAAM for the Tejas, given that it is fully integrated with the I-Derby already. And then there is Astra BVRAAM integration pending, which should be taken up soon.
                                    The news mentioned a "Meteor class" BVRAAM. And just so you know, there is an internal program for a Astra Mk2 that is a ramjet propelled BVRAAM.

                                    Fact of the matter is this- the Elta 2032 is already on the Tejas. The natural choice was ALWAYS the Elta 2052 due to commonality with the existing set and ease of integrating already integrated weapons to this new radar set. Plus, there will be commonality with over 60 sets that will be acquired for the Jaguar Darin 3 upgrade. But for the sake of getting a good look at what the competition is like, and to put some pressure on Elta to give a competitive pricing, the RFP had to be released.

                                    No one was under the illusion that Thales was the front runner for this deal, except maybe some Western leaning posters on this forum, which means ZILCH in the real world. So you and some other guys can go around pretending to know what's best for the Tejas program but it means nothing. Those involved with the program surely know better about what weapons are to be integrated, how much source code is being offered, what ToT is on the table and so on. You and the others who're calling this a circus don't.

                                    Or are you and that other know it all smarter than the rest or privy to all the internal specifications and info that the rest of us are not?
                                    Last edited by BlackArcher; 17th May 2018, 18:29.

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                                      Well said. Then there is Uttam radar which is in development. I think Uttam and Astra MK2 will go in Tejas MK2.

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                                        roflmao, looks like the apologists got triggered

                                        So you and some other guys can go around pretending to know what's best for the Tejas program but it means nothing. Those involved with the program surely know better about what weapons are to be integrated, how much source code is being offered, what ToT is on the table and so on. You and the others who're calling this a circus don't.
                                        Because the Tejas program has gone by so swimmingly

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                                          which is cheaper, the European set radar/missile or Israeli?
                                          After a certain point, I think the capabilities of either are good enough, and economics and political/strategic factors should be prioritized

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