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  • MSphere
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    • Feb 2010
    • 8983

    Originally posted by invictus_slo View Post
    Actually, it wasn't SR-71, but A-12...
    Wasn't the A-12 actually even faster than the SR?

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    • F-1XFP
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      • Dec 2014
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      • F-1XFP
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        • Dec 2014
        • 19

        4everf14 pictures above prove to you the great success of the Iraqi Air Force and the failure of Iranian AF during the war no claims no allegations videos and pictures are talking.

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        • sheytanelkebir
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Feb 2013
          • 783

          Originally posted by lukos View Post
          ACIG also stated MiG-25 kills. Seems to me like a lot of places did and it seems probable. The SR-71 was almost hit, only an inept proximity fuse on an SA-2 prevented it, not the aircraft's speed. Missile passed it head-on, if the fuse had gone off on time, the SR-71 would have been downed.
          Acig is tom.cooper.
          All references go back to tom cooper.

          Etc...

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          • sheytanelkebir
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Feb 2013
            • 783

            Iraq and Syria were enemies after 1981 and the Syrians sentenced Saddam to Death in absentia. That should give you a clue as to the accuracy of the talk by some people.

            Also with regards to your insistence on arguing simple semantics For example. Su 22 losses. Iraqi official record splits them by subtype. But at the same time pilots discussions it will lump them subtypes together. Simple and logical difference which is clear to anyone who is simply interested in the truth and not simply attempting to undermine the others perspective which don't account for the peddled fabrications from the iranian side.

            As for "leaning towards" 200 iraqi aircraft shot down in air to air combat. You need to back that up with iraqi air force inventory numbers which simply do not agree with your assessment at all. So alongside the losses to Sam and aaa and accidents... Iraqis lost what 350 jets? According to you and tom cooper. Sadly.the Iraqis didn't get the message and seem to only miss 150 or.so jets.... Got serials or wreckage for the claims? Surely most would be in iranian territory and easy to verify.

            Also you need to show a positive proof of a claim.

            So Iraqis claim to lose so.many airframes. They show evidence from.internal records and audits..

            Iranians make claims for what they destroyed. The claim does not match actual iraqi losses. So here the argument is between hard iraqi records and iranian claims (unofficial at that)...
            Last edited by sheytanelkebir; 23rd April 2015, 22:48.

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            • lukos
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2013
              • 1762

              Originally posted by sheytanelkebir View Post
              Acig is tom.cooper.
              All references go back to tom cooper.

              Etc...
              An F-16D also shot down an Iraqi MiG-25 in 1992.

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              • lukos
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2013
                • 1762

                Originally posted by sheytanelkebir View Post
                Acig is tom.cooper.
                All references go back to tom cooper.

                Etc...
                3 losses were confirmed by Iraq.

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                • Sens
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Jan 2000
                  • 12277

                  http://iraqimilitary.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=71
                  http://iraqimilitary.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=68
                  When I compared that data I found: 128 F1 ordered and 113 F1 delivered till summer 1990. Without the Kuwaiti examples That are 20 more than 93 delivered If the 76 remaining in 1990 is correct, the total losses are 37 F1 till the French stop of summer 1990.

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                  • OooShiny
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • May 2013
                    • 184

                    Originally posted by MSphere View Post
                    LOL... On me? And how exactly should such evidence look like so that it satisfies your high standards?

                    Except it was you who was making a claim about invulnerability, so logically it's you who's carrying the burden of a proof. I have already successfully countered this nonsense with the articles about multiple lock-ons, so get prepared for some hard work..

                    I don't understand the meaning of this question.

                    That in no way negates my original claim that Iraqi MiG-25s were able to fly at M2.8.

                    You are, again, twisting the whole story.. The topic was whether Iranian F-14s have shot down any Iraqi MiG-25s and the documents indicate they have not. End of story. No one claimed they were technically not capable to achieve a Foxbat kill or anything about USAF (WTF!?)
                    In the book Iranian F-14 Tomcat Units in Combat I recall the author (Iranian pilot) covers a number of occurances of Mig-25s being shot down by by his colleagues in F-14s.

                    Gah, thread necro.
                    Last edited by OooShiny; 14th January 2018, 22:38.

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                    • Sens
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Jan 2000
                      • 12277

                      About the MiG-25 the Iraniens made redicilous claims for the F-14A to stay polite.

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                      • Alpha Bravo
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Mar 2012
                        • 613

                        Does anyone know what platform, targeting system and ordnance the Iraqis were using in those videos?

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                        • Sens
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Jan 2000
                          • 12277

                          To down a SR-71 with a SA-2 you are in need of a lucky shot. The SR-71 passing over the site at lower height and slower than typical speed. The crew ignoring all alerts

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                          • sheytanelkebir
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Feb 2013
                            • 783

                            http://iraqimilitary.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=71
                            http://iraqimilitary.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=68
                            When I compared that data I found: 128 F1 ordered and 113 F1 delivered till summer 1990. Without the Kuwaiti examples That are 20 more than 93 delivered If the 76 remaining in 1990 is correct, the total losses are 37 F1 till the French stop of summer 1990.
                            no. The numbers do not include the 15 twin seaters.

                            The number of single seaters delivered was 93. Of which 76 were available in 1990. Total loss of 17 single seaters between 1981-1990 including accidents. Tom Cooper's publications variously claimed about 60+ mirages shot down by iranian F14s and F5s and F4s... in addition to ground based air defences. A true figure is nearer 15... about a quarter of the claims.

                            Iraq recieved 15 twin seaters. 3 of these were lost between 1981-1990 in non combat incidents.
                            Last edited by sheytanelkebir; 22nd May 2018, 21:30.

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                            • Sens
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Jan 2000
                              • 12277

                              The twin seaters are full combat capable and used as such. What happened to the Kuwaiti F-1 not returned?! The claim of 60+ shot down is obvious wrong.
                              ...so it was: 76 EQ + 12BQ + 8 Kuwaiti = 96 total in 1990 by hayder
                              Last edited by Sens; 25th May 2018, 18:11.

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                              • Mesan
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • May 2015
                                • 2

                                I saw that on ACIG , it has to do with the Iraqi Mirages
                                "The round-up is as follows:
                                Total orders were for
                                110 single-seaters
                                19 two-seaters

                                Delivered were
                                105 single-seaters
                                15 two-seaters

                                Not delivered:
                                5 single-seaters, EQ5 4562 build but embargoed, last four EQ6 4662 to 4665, two built, two unfinished
                                4 BQ 4656 to 4659, two built, two unfinished"

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                                • Sens
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Jan 2000
                                  • 12277

                                  From French Wiki
                                  Iraqi Air Force - 121 out of 129 aircraft ordered, delivered from January 1981. 8 will remain stranded as a result of the 1990 embargo. In 1991, 24 Mirage F1 flee to Iran to escape the bombing campaign of the coalition. These planes are seized and used by the Iranians as "reparation" for the Iran-Iraq war. The others were destroyed, shot down or reformed.
                                  Gives 33 EQ/BQ lost to all causes till summer 1990.
                                  Last edited by Sens; 31st May 2018, 23:03.

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                                  • Gunfighter93
                                    Registered User
                                    • Oct 2018
                                    • 2

                                    And what about the iraqui MiG 25 RB wreckages shoot down from an f 14's launched AIM 54 phoenix near the iranian city of Arak on 15 february 1986?! We have photographic proof of this

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                                    • Sens
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Jan 2000
                                      • 12277

                                      It has to be an official iranian picture. So no problem to post it for verification.

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                                      • Mesan
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • May 2015
                                        • 2

                                        Actually it was a Mirage F1EQ (from 91 Sq) that fell over Arak on 15/02/1986

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                                        • GromOzekA
                                          Rank 3 Registered User
                                          • May 2018
                                          • 13

                                          2.83M is not a maximum speed for MiG-25. It's just a safe limit. A speeds above that leads to lack of lateral stability and possibility of structural damage (canopy glass). If needed MiG-25 could flight above 3M even with 4 R-60 missiles.

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