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  • Gerard
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Aug 2009
    • 3071

    June 28, 1940. Private of the Italian Air Force paints small French Air Force roundel on the Italian AF roundel on the bomber's wing, when it was based on some airfield in the Italian Western Front during the Italian invasion of France. The FIAT BR20 "Cicogna" and the Savoia - Marchetti SM79 "Sparviero" bombers were based on this airfield then
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    • PEB75
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      • Jun 2018
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      • PEB75
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        • Jun 2018
        • 97

        Spanish Navy 1920s roundel

        Hi gentlemen,

        Perhaps do you remember that we discussed last December about seemingly one-color roundels (red?) for a Spanish Blackburn Velos photographed in 1929 (see page 64 of this thread).

        I have found new pictures of 1920's Spanish seaplanes (Dornier Wal). By the way, they are related to a fact I wasn't aware of: before becoming a dictator, General Franco was an aviator who performed transatlantic raids in the 1920s. Some successed (1926 one to Argentina), some failed...

        In 1929, Franco plane crashed-landed in the sea near the Azores and after more than a week of search, HMS Eagle managed to fin the seaplane and recued all four crew members alive. Here are pictures of the rescue:

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        The Dornier Wal seaplane wears roundels in 8 positions: up and down each wing, tail and front hull (both sides). All roundels seem unicolor except on the last picture, where the hull roundel is clearly the Spanish tricolor one!!! On the other hand, on all pictures the wing roundels seem unicolor (black? red?), even on the last picture where the film seems able to capture the contrast!

        Here are pictures of other Spanish Dornier in the 1920s:

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        There is no doubt the hull roundel is the Spanish tricolor one. As for the wing ones

        Searching a little more, I found two more pictures of the M-MWAL, including one during its arrival in Buenos Aires:

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        The Madrid museum depicts the last plane as such:

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        Tricolor roundels in 6 positions

        Conclusions are clear: Spanish navy aircraft in the 1920s sported the reicolor roundel!!! And another conlusion: as pointed by gkozak in December last year, beware the B&W photographic evidences

        Obviously, these conclusions shall be the same for the Blackburn Velos aircraft.

        Regards,

        PEB

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        • roberto_yeager
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Feb 2006
          • 931

          Originally posted by PEB75 View Post
          Spanish Navy 1920s roundel

          Hi gentlemen,
          He wasn't Francisco Franco (the later dictator), he was his brother, Ramon Franco: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram%C3%B3n_Franco

          1Saludo
          Revista Ejercitos, sometime She will back...

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          • PEB75
            Rank 3 Registered User
            • Jun 2018
            • 97

            Originally posted by roberto_yeager View Post

            He wasn't Francisco Franco (the later dictator), he was his brother, Ramon Franco: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram%C3%B3n_Franco

            1Saludo
            You're correct, thanks for the correction!

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            • Gerard
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              • Aug 2009
              • 3071

              the white star roundel of the US

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              Used for a very short time and most likely only in Tennessee. ca. 1916 1917. I got confirmation that they really used these during a visit to the museum at Ft Rucker.
              Last edited by Gerard; 30th April 2019, 09:59. Reason: tried to remove a false picture
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              • PEB75
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                • Jun 2018
                • 97

                Kwantung (Japanese) Police roundel, circa 1933
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                One Tiger Moth (DH-82) and one Fox Moth (DH-83):

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                • Gerard
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                  • Aug 2009
                  • 3071

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                  Kingdom of Yemen. 1919 - 1962.
                  Last edited by Gerard; 6th May 2019, 11:17.
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                  • PEB75
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                    • Jun 2018
                    • 97

                    Nice helicopter from Yemen! According to ACIG (see here http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww3/v/183/249/0#1), this is indeed a Mil Mi-4 helicopter from North Yemen in the late 1960s.

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                    • PEB75
                      Rank 3 Registered User
                      • Jun 2018
                      • 97

                      Early Irish roundel

                      As far as I know, Ireland used three types of roundels (including the stripes):

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                      According to some sources, early Irish aircraft also used another roundel, but I never saw any photograph:

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                      Any hint?

                      PEB

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                      • Gerard
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 3071

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                        Martinsyde Type A mark II with 1922-1923 roundel on the wing and flag on the fuselage and as finflash. The roundel was also under the wings.

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                        Miles Magistar with the flag "roundel" used from 1923-1939

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                        from 1939 -1954 the 2 colored roundel was used on the wings and the fuselage but the flag roundel remained under the wing

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                        from 1954 to the present day the tricolored roundel is used on the common 6 positions.
                        Last edited by Gerard; 10th May 2019, 10:40.
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                        • PEB75
                          Rank 3 Registered User
                          • Jun 2018
                          • 97

                          Super finding, Gerard!

                          Nevertheless, the first aircraft (two first pictures) is a Martinsyde A.Mk II. Here it is, with its cabin for a passenger, as seen on the phone card (!) below:

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                          Indeed, this is a Bristol F2B fighter.

                          Very great finding, though!!!

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                          • Gerard
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 3071

                            here it is Click image for larger version

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                            • PEB75
                              Rank 3 Registered User
                              • Jun 2018
                              • 97

                              Yes !


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                              • Gerard
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 3071

                                a fantasy roundel today. Click image for larger version

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                                • Gerard
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                                  • Aug 2009
                                  • 3071

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                                  Angola, Weird roundel, new or fantasy
                                  Last edited by Gerard; 20th May 2019, 08:43.
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                                  • Gerard
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                                    • Aug 2009
                                    • 3071

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                                    Found another one today so it must be a new roundel.
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