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  • gkozak
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    Thanks much Chris- I knew you would have the answer! You always do.

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    • Gerard
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      Finnish Border Guard ca. 1930 - 1933

      Anybody a good drawing / image of the "roundel" ?
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      • Gerard
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        Borel Hydroplane of the Brazilian Navy. The roundel looked like this.
        Last edited by Gerard; 5th November 2018, 11:27. Reason: added roundel.
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        • Starsign
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          Does anyone have pictures or illustrations of aircraft with this colorful SAAF roundel? Thanks!

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          • Gerard
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            Starsign. On this replica.
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            • PEB75
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              Starsign,

              Click image for larger version

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              R.A.F. SE.5a

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              • Starsign
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                Wonderful, thank you! Btw, it seems that the outer circle is yellow, not blue.
                Last edited by Starsign; 5th November 2018, 20:07.

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                • cthornburg
                  Skyvan Capt.

                  This ones only 2 serial numbers away.

                  Chris

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                  • Gerard
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                    No the colors are right.
                    It's that chromomatic thing what happend with old B&W films.
                    Read this on the picture
                    Last edited by Gerard; 6th November 2018, 10:04.
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                    • PEB75
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                      Please notice the Finnish Swastika is turning counterclockwise under the wings, and clockwise on the tail on this Gourdou-Leseurre GL-21 between world wars...

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                      By the way, Gerard, if you manage to get a good drawing of the Finnish border guard roundel I'm interested...

                      PEB

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                      • Gerard
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                        Sorry PEB. Still searching.
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                        • Starsign
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                          The situation with old SAAF roundels becomes quite confusing. Wikipedia cites this book, saying: "On the 1 February 1920 Colonel Pierre van Ryneveld was appointed as the Director Air Service with the task of forming an air force, the date is used to mark the founding of the South African Air Force. In December 1920 the South African National insignia was added to aircraft for the first time. An Orange, Green, Red and Blue roundel was added to an Avro 504K for trial purposes but the colours were found to be unsuitable and were replaced with a Green, Red, Lemon, Yellow and Blue roundel in December 1921. These colours remained until 1927 when they were replaced with the Orange, White and Blue roundels."

                          Edit: I just found a short note I made in 2005. The old roundel should have been "green-red-yellow-blue roundel (from the center out), in service from 1922-1924". Unfortunately, I didn't note the source of this information.
                          Last edited by Starsign; 6th November 2018, 19:01.

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                          • Gerard
                            Rank 5 Registered User

                            In John Cochrane's book it is as you mentioned. That means that the roundel as shown on you picture and my picture, the replica are the 1922 - 24 versions.
                            Last edited by Gerard; 11th November 2018, 10:50.
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                            • Gerard
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                              Serbia. But when was this used? I can't find any information about that.
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                              • PEB75
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                                Strange roundel Gerard...

                                Fizir F1V was built in the 1930s, are we sure this was a real roundel (not a unit marking)?

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                                • Gerard
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                                  I don't know PEB. I found 3 pictures of aircraft with this roundel. All Fizir F models I think.
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                                  • gkozak
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                                    This is a real Serbian marking. The characters in the four quadrants are the letters "S", standing for "only unity saves the Serbs" (Serbian- само слога Србина спасава/samo sloga Srbina spasava). Similar markings were worn on other Serbian aircraft, such as a UTVA-75 ' used by the Panthers Special Brigade aviation detachment of the Army of Republika Srpska, and a Serbian Republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina Militia An-2.

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                                    • oleniko
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                                      in 1918 the Danish pilot Jarhlfeld was in Argentina contracted to form an Air Force for Bolivia. He had arrived with a Danish made NW Ab two- seat "fighter" of which two had been procured. It became the first aircraft to use a Bolivian roundel: red with a white cross. Click image for larger version

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                                      • gkozak
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                                        Oleniko, the Bolivian Nielsen & Winther is amazing! The colors for the roundel undoubtedly came from the Danish national colors!

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                                        • Gerard
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                                          Awesome find Oleniko. The present day roundel was AFAIK introduced in 1923. So this red/white roundel was maybe used for almost 5 years.

                                          Greg. There is 60 years between the roundel on the Fizir and the one on the UTVA.
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