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  • gkozak
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    • Jan 2005
    • 1177

    Honduras Let L-410 with new segmented roundel, Bosnia Let L-410, Mali Let L-200 Morava. And an Iraqi Gazelle with a slight misspelling...
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    • Gerard
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      • Aug 2009
      • 3043

      The Bosnian Let 410 is a civilian one.

      Here are more from Honduras with the same roundel
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      • archangelski
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Jul 2013
        • 2380

        Hungarian C-17 :

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        • gkozak
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Jan 2005
          • 1177

          Anybody have any images of Lesotho Mi-2 Hopliites?

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          • cthornburg
            Skyvan Capt.
            • Jan 2000
            • 672

            I think I got this pix from this forum

            Chris
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            • gkozak
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Jan 2005
              • 1177

              Originally posted by cthornburg View Post
              I think I got this pix from this forum

              Chris
              Chris, you must have an insane collection- thanks! Now, can anybody tell me what color this Trinidad and Tobago Gazelle might be? Anybody know if it has the national flag fin flash?
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              • Gerard
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Aug 2009
                • 3043

                talking about Gazelles Here is the only one of Slovenia. With the roundel used from 1991 to 1995

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                • MSphere
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 8983

                  Originally posted by gkozak View Post
                  Chris, you must have an insane collection- thanks! Now, can anybody tell me what color this Trinidad and Tobago Gazelle might be? Anybody know if it has the national flag fin flash?
                  Most likely blue...
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                  • Gerard
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                    • Aug 2009
                    • 3043

                    Just finished updating New Zealand on my website. A little summary below:

                    from 1943 to 1946 NZ used a roundel with the red circle painted red and sidebars added. The fuselage roundel had a yellow outer circle!
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                    from 1946 to 1957 the RAF roundel was used (again)
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                    in the early 50s NZ wanted his own roundel and adopted a white vern in the red circle. Diagonally from low left to upper right.
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                    in 1958 the white was changed to silver. (Legend has it that one of the driving reasons was that the white stenciled fern leave could be mistaken for a white feather- the symbol of cowardice!)
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                    in 1970 the kiwi was chosen for the roundels as it is still used today. The kiwi is always facing forward!
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                    More on my website and here: http://rnzaf.proboards.com/thread/74...-leaf-roundels
                    Last edited by Gerard; 10th July 2015, 14:07. Reason: spellin!
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                    • archangelski
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                      • Jul 2013
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                      Guatemala :

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                      • Gerard
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                        • Aug 2009
                        • 3043

                        Originally posted by Gerard View Post
                        Hello Etienne. Due to lack of time I stopped translating my site. Also the one in Dutch will no longer be updated.
                        the times are changing unexpectedly. I'm again working on my site.
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                        • archangelski
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Jul 2013
                          • 2380

                          Originally posted by Gerard View Post
                          the times are changing unexpectedly. I'm again working on my site.
                          Good news.

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                          • gkozak
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Jan 2005
                            • 1177

                            Originally posted by Gerard View Post
                            the times are changing unexpectedly. I'm again working on my site.
                            I just noticed that you have two Abkhazian roundels. The one with the yellow "bars" is a misinterpretation of the Mi-24 photo. The bars are in fact traces of flare suppressors that have been removed. Abkhazian aircraft have also worn white stars (Yak-52 and L-139).

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                            • MSphere
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 8983

                              Originally posted by gkozak View Post
                              I just noticed that you have two Abkhazian roundels. The one with the yellow "bars" is a misinterpretation of the Mi-24 photo. The bars are in fact traces of flare suppressors that have been removed. Abkhazian aircraft have also worn white stars (Yak-52 and L-139).
                              Which flare suppressors do you mean? Got a photo of a Mi-24 with them installed?

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                              • Gerard
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 3043

                                No, there are realy three bars. look here. the left and the right side of a mi-24
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                                • gkozak
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Jan 2005
                                  • 1177

                                  Originally posted by Gerard View Post
                                  No, there are realy three bars. look here. the left and the right side of a mi-24
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                                  Wow- looks like I've been wrong all this time! Thanks for the correction. Very interesting!

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                                  • Gerard
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Aug 2009
                                    • 3043

                                    Angola

                                    the PC-7 was posted a few years ago in a small air force Topic.
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                                    it is Angola but I don't recognize the flag/finflash. Who has more Information? (period used, organization etc.)

                                    The next pic is a Cuban MiG-21 in a movie about the Angola war. The finflash look like the one on the PC-7 but upside down.
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                                    I think the next picture is a new one here on the forum
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                                    Angola MiG-17. A drawing is here below
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                                    Are there any other pictures known with this roundel or the one on the PC-7? Would be great to see more of this.


                                    Lots of questions about Angola but I sure hope someone has answers.
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                                    • p_shadow
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Nov 2004
                                      • 101

                                      Originally posted by Gerard View Post
                                      I think the next picture is a new one here on the forum

                                      Angola MiG-17. A drawing is here below

                                      Are there any other pictures known with this roundel or the one on the PC-7? Would be great to see more of this.
                                      That picture was published in the book "FAPLA", as well as many other known pictures we've seen popping on the internet time to time:
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                                      http://www.operacional.pt/fapla-balu...paz-em-angola/

                                      Originally posted by Gerard View Post
                                      The next pic is a Cuban MiG-21 in a movie about the Angola war. The finflash look like the one on the PC-7 but upside down.
                                      I'm sure i've seen that image without watermark and it seems that is photoshoped, specially in the area around the drop tank (hidden by the watermark in this picture).

                                      Originally posted by Gerard View Post
                                      the PC-7 was posted a few years ago in a small air force Topic.

                                      it is Angola but I don't recognize the flag/finflash. Who has more Information? (period used, organization etc.)
                                      I found that fin flash on the following types:

                                      PC-7
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                                      Mig-17
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                                      Mig-21
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                                      Last edited by p_shadow; 14th July 2015, 04:52.

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                                      • p_shadow
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Nov 2004
                                        • 101

                                        ...............

                                        Ml Mi-8
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                                        An-2
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                                        and at least one other type, its fin seen behind the C-47's fuselage in this picture:
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                                        Just by looking at the serial numbers, and without doing any confirmation or cross-checking, my first guess is that the first batch(es) of the above mentioned types got the fin flash. But, why not all types operated in that same period of time (70s)? The Angolans had a lot of support from Cuba, mainly operating the above mentioned types. Could that be a reason, that the "Cuban-operated" aircraft wore the fin flash?

                                        But then there's the PC-7 fleet also with the fin flash and a little younger than the above. Once more, the type was also operated by "foreigners"... Could there be a link of some kind? Would definitely be interesting to know for sure!
                                        Last edited by p_shadow; 14th July 2015, 04:54.

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                                        • archangelski
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • Jul 2013
                                          • 2380

                                          @ p_Shadow : a little overdose of good pictures, thanks.

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