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  • Y-20 Bacon
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2013
    • 2176

    Originally posted by toan View Post
    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...g-deal-416586/
    http://inserbia.info/today/2015/11/i...ale-deal-soon/
    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3da930d4-5...#axzz3snEgT5BI
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politi...27-gl9ubr.html

    JAS-39E (Brazil AF):4.7 billion USDs for 36 fighters --> Around 130.5 million USDs per unit.

    Rafale (Indian AF):8.3 billion USDs for 36 fighters --> Around 230.5 million USDs per unit.

    Eurofighter (Kuwait AF):8.0 billion Euros for 28 fighters --> Around 285.7 million Euros or 302.8 million USDs per unit.

    F-35A (RAAF):24.0 billion USDs for 70 fighters --> Around 342.8 million USDs per unit.
    if true, give me 2 squadrons of Gripen-Es over 1 Typhoon please.
    can use that saved money for an Awacs or tanker

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    • Y-20 Bacon
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2013
      • 2176

      Originally posted by Vnomad View Post
      How about comparing like to like? Acquisition cost to acquisition cost. (Or for that matter, USD to USD.) The $24 billion includes capital expenditure incurred over the lifetime of the aircraft, which presumably include an MLU for example.

      The budget for the F-35A acquisition stands at A$17 billion, or $12.25 billion. Which equals about $170 mil per jet.

      That by the way is also roughly what the South Koreans are paying for their jets - $175 mil ($7bn for 40 F-35As).



      Also if you'd like to include the Kuwaiti deal, I suppose it would only be fair to include the cost of the (similar) Qatari deal that you conveniently omitted, eh?

      Rafale (Qatar): 7.0 billion USD for 24 fighters --> Around 291.7 million USD per unit.


      X-posted on Rafale thread. Best to continue it there.

      if your estimate for F-35 is true, it would be hard to choose a rafale or typhoon over an F-35 (or a gripen if you were more concerned with peace time operations)

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      • hopsalot
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2012
        • 3166

        Originally posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
        if your estimate for F-35 is true, it would be hard to choose a rafale or typhoon over an F-35 (or a gripen if you were more concerned with peace time operations)
        Which matches what has happened in the export market of course.

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        • TomcatViP
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Nov 2011
          • 5912

          This is why the price as quoted is absurd.

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          • MSphere
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2010
            • 8983

            Originally posted by hopsalot View Post
            Which matches what has happened in the export market of course.
            In your wet dreams..

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            • toan
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Jul 2008
              • 995

              Originally posted by toan View Post
              https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...g-deal-416586/
              http://inserbia.info/today/2015/11/i...ale-deal-soon/
              http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3da930d4-5...#axzz3snEgT5BI
              http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politi...27-gl9ubr.html

              JAS-39E (Brazil AF):4.7 billion USDs for 36 fighters --> Around 130.5 million USDs per unit.

              Rafale (Indian AF):8.3 billion USDs for 36 fighters --> Around 230.5 million USDs per unit.

              Eurofighter (Kuwait AF):8.0 billion Euros for 28 fighters --> Around 285.7 million Euros or 302.8 million USDs per unit.

              F-35A (RAAF):24.0 billion USDs for 70 fighters --> Around 342.8 million USDs per unit.

              1. It seems that the price of FAB's Gripen procurement mentioned above doesn't include the service life cost and weapon cost, but include the cost for integrating Brazilian avionics and weapons, and the cost for setting up the domestic production line.

              2. According to the Norwegian official estimation during 2011 and Canadian official estimation during 2012, the whole life cost (40 to 42 years of service life) for F-35A shall be 40 billion USDs for the Norwegian's 52 fighters or 44.8 billion USDs for the Canadian's 65 fighters. Therefore, l don't think that 24 billion USDs can include the 40 years life-cycle cost for RAAF's 70 F-35A.

              3. And if my memory is not wrong, the price of Indian Rafale's deal should also include the service life cost of 20 to 25 years.

              4. The Quatar AF's Rafale deal include the cost of weapon procurement ~ Does the cost of RAAF's F-35A procurement also include such cost??
              Last edited by toan; 29th November 2015, 14:37.

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              • JakobS
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Aug 2015
                • 153

                Originally posted by toan View Post
                1. It seems that the price of FAB's Gripen procurement mentioned above doesn't include the service life cost and weapon cost
                The service life is included, but not weapons cost, those are finalized outside of the deal.

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                • Halo
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 211

                  To all who doubted that Meteor would be integrated as fast as indicated..

                  MBDA Offers Meteor For RTAF Gripen
                  "According to a Thai Military and Asian Region repor​t, the Meteor BRAAM production is underway and should enter service on Gripen aircraft of the Swedish Air Force by the end of this year. The Meteor capability is a part of Saab's latest MS20 (Materiel System 20) combat systems update."

                  http://www.gripenblogs.com/default.aspx

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                  • TomcatViP
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 5912

                    Gripen off the table in slovakia

                    The country is now looking to keep eight MiGs in the air for longer, with contacts already with Russian suppliers.[...]
                    The recent purchase of two Alenia Aermacchi C-27J Spartans and UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters doesnt allow for more defense spending, the government in Bratislava has said.
                    Source:
                    airheadsfly.com

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                    • walkinginshadow
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Feb 2013
                      • 7

                      Is it?
                      http://spectator.sme.sk/c/20069523/c...al-agreed.html

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                      • Spitfire9
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 2772

                        Originally posted by walkinginshadow View Post
                        The final decision on whether Gripens will protect Slovak airspace or not the ministry representatives leave to their successors after the March 2016 parliament elections, according to Defence Ministry spokesperson Martina Ballekov.
                        Seems to me the incumbent Slovak government is acting in a responsible manner. With the possibility of a change in administration in March, it would be a waste of tax payers' money to spend more time on negotiating a Gripen deal if any new administration might scrap the deal.

                        Might get scrapped for political reasons (change of policy), postponed for a time (for budgetary reasons) or postponed indefinitely.
                        Sum ergo cogito

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                        • velociraptor
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 23

                          I found a link to this piece on https://twitter.com/gripennews , thought it might be worth linking here.. : http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/22/am...-35-nightmare/

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                          • Spyhawk
                            Rank 42 Registered User
                            • Dec 2011
                            • 175

                            New thread is located here: http://forum.keypublishing.com/showt...en-NG-thread-4

                            Please close this one.

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                            • Marius Titulesc
                              Rank 4 Registered User
                              • Aug 2016
                              • 10

                              Still not closed for some reason?
                              Has everything been moved at the new thread?
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