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    #41
    Originally posted by Italy
    with Putin coming into power, he is Japan's best hope in resolving border disputes and normalizing relations because of his japanophile tendencies.
    Putin has been in power since 31 December 1999 (when he became Prime Minister with Yeltsin's resignation)!

    As President of Russia from 2000-2008 he wielded not only the powers of that office but also many of those originally placed in the office of Prime Minister.

    When he became PM in 2008 all those powers plus many of the President's powers were transferred to the PM's office.

    When he became President again in 2012 everything again was shifted back to the Presidency.

    He has been in control of Russia for over 12 years now... what makes you think he will suddenly be nicer to Japan than previously?

    Originally posted by Italy
    Russia will get access to Japanese investment and Japan will buy Pak-fa to replace their F-15 and F-35 to replace their F-4s.
    A purely delusional fantasy... Japan still considers Russia to be a major potential threat. They won't place their security in jeopardy by replacing their top air-superiority aircraft with a Russian aircraft.
    Germany, Austria and Italy are standing together in the middle of the pub, when Serbia bumps into Austria, and spills Austria's pint.

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      #42
      Let's put things into context when we read about the current trends in Japanese forces. Japan's regional, fighter aircraft competitors in twenty years time will likely compromise:

      1. LM F-35C & F-35B (USN, USMC, South Korea?)
      2. LM F-35A (USAF, Australia, Singapore)
      3. PAK-FA (Russia, potential exports)
      4. Chengdu J-20 (China)
      5. KAI KFX (South Korea, Indonesia)
      6. Shenyang F60 (China)
      7. Sukhoi Su-35, Sukhoi Su-34 (Russia)
      8. Mikoyan MiG-31 (Russia)
      9. Boeing F-15 (USAF, Singapore, South Korea)
      11. Sukhoi Su-30 (Russia, China, Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam)
      12. Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet (USN, Australia)
      13. Boeing EA-18G Growler (USN, Australia)
      14. Boeing F/A-18 Hornet (USN, USMC, Australia, Indonesia, Malaysia)
      15. Shenyang J-11, Sukhoi Su-27 (Russia, China, Indonesia, Vietnam)
      16. LM F-16 (USAF, Indonesia, Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea, Thailand)
      17. Chengdu J-10 (China)
      18. Saab J39 (Thailand)
      19. Mirage 2000-5 (Taiwan)
      20. Mikoyan MiG-29 (Russia, Malaysia, North Korea)
      21. Xian JH-7 (China, Myanmar)
      22. Sukhoi Su-22 (Vietnam)
      23. AIDC F-CK-1 (Taiwan)
      24. KAI FA-50 (South Korea, Indonesia, Phillipines?)
      25. Alenia Aermacchi M-346 (Singapore)
      26. Shenyang J-8 (China)
      27. Mikoyan MiG-21, Chengdu J-7, Guizhou JL-9 (China, Cambodia?, Laos?, Myanmar, North Korea, Vietnam)
      28. Sukhoi Su-25 (Russia, North Korea)

      This list doesn't include regional (i.e. bomber) threats like the Sukhoi Su-24 (Russia), Xian H-6 (China), Tupolev Tu-95 (Russia), Tupolev Tu-22M (Russia), Tupolev Tu-160 (Russia), PAKDA (Russia), Ilyushin Il-38 (Russia), Shaanxi Y-8Q (China, Myanmar), Boeing B-1B (USAF), Northrop B-2 (USAF), Boeing B-52 (USAF), Lockheed P-3 (USN, Australia, Taiwan, Thailand), and Boeing P-8 (USN, Australia). Nor does it include regional interventionalists like France (Rafale), UK (Tornado, Typhoon, F-35B), Spain (Harrier, Typhoon, F-35B), or Italy (F-35B?).

      I can see why they need their current programs.
      Last edited by MadRat; 9th September 2012, 01:54. Reason: fixed typo that swerve pointed out
      Go Huskers!

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        #43
        Thailand is going to get SAAB J37?

        Will it be put back into production, or are there some in storage we don't know about?
        Juris praecepta sunt haec: honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere.
        Justinian

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          #44
          Originally posted by SlowMan View Post
          And you think Japanese citizen bond holders are less angry at Japanese government than foreign bond holders at the event of debt default?

          Sure it will.

          At certain time, there is going to be no more new Japanese government bond buyers left, and the Japanese government can't raise enough money to meet its obligations without the bond sales. When that happens Japan must enter a Greek-style austerity to fund itself without selling additional bonds, which means a higher tax, and halving of government spending including the defense budget.

          At that time, Japanese government must lay off half the troops and stop buying new weapons.
          Your post displays such dreadful ignorance that it's impossible to take seriously enough to dignify with a detailed answer. Go away & read some basic economics textbooks. Look at the history of countries (including democracies) with large domestic debts, & how many of them have been successfully reduced. Check what assets the Japanese state has.
          Juris praecepta sunt haec: honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere.
          Justinian

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            #45
            When the japanese people can't take enough bonds, the japanese government will be forced to go to the markets, and it will be the beginning of the end.

            Nic

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              #46
              Originally posted by swerve View Post
              Look at the history of countries (including democracies) with large domestic debts, & how many of them have been successfully reduced.
              None that I can think of. The thing with the national debt is that it can never be paid off; only managed, like growing the GDP and lowering the percentage of debt to the GDP.

              Check what assets the Japanese state has.
              About 100% of GDP. The debt is 240% of GDP, meaning a 140% net debt.

              Unlike past debts that went into infrastructures, the new debts go into pensions and local government financial supports and so on so no asset is left, and the problem will get worse as pension receiving retirees explode while tax paying workers decrease.

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                #47
                I fixed it, swerve. Smartalik.
                Go Huskers!

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                  #48
                  [Off-Topic Alert]

                  I think...

                  X : J39

                  O : JA 37

                  O : JAS 39
                  Republic of Korea Air Force KF-16 missing photographs

                  http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-databas...irforce/ROKAF/

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by Bager1968 View Post
                    Putin has been in power since 31 December 1999 (when he became Prime Minister with Yeltsin's resignation)!

                    As President of Russia from 2000-2008 he wielded not only the powers of that office but also many of those originally placed in the office of Prime Minister.

                    When he became PM in 2008 all those powers plus many of the President's powers were transferred to the PM's office.

                    When he became President again in 2012 everything again was shifted back to the Presidency.

                    He has been in control of Russia for over 12 years now... what makes you think he will suddenly be nicer to Japan than previously?
                    Putin disagrees, in fact he wants to try talking about the islands again this weekend
                    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/jap...nds-2012-09-08

                    A purely delusional fantasy... Japan still considers Russia to be a major potential threat. They won't place their security in jeopardy by replacing their top air-superiority aircraft with a Russian aircraft.
                    Japan disagrees, they are willing to let themselves be hooked on Russian energy after this recent LNG pact.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Italy View Post
                      Putin disagrees, in fact he wants to try talking about the islands again this weekend
                      http://www.marketwatch.com/story/jap...nds-2012-09-08


                      Japan disagrees, they are willing to let themselves be hooked on Russian energy after this recent LNG pact.
                      Putin statements gives false hopes to countries to induce them into cooperation but in reality he kicks them from behind.
                      see this example. Putin intention is to discredit Islam by creating fight within Islam. but he is giving statement to the opposite.
                      https://rt.com/news/vladimir-putin-e...interview-481/
                      Luckily, we generally enjoy friendly relations with the Arab world, but we would like to stay away from Islamic sectarian conflict, or interfere in a showdown involving the Sunnis, the Shia, the Alawis and so on. We treat everyone with equal respect. We also get on well with Saudi Arabia and other countries; I have cultivated a warm personal relationship with the custodian of two Islamic shrines.
                      Japan is bankrupt. manufacturing is fleeing Japan at fastest pace. There is complete lack of R&D & skill manpower for moving into new generation technologies to diversify the economic. Japan standards of living will continue to fall untill it become a third world country. see the low contractor wages in Japan nuclear power industry. Japan LNG deal is more sign of desperation.

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                        #51
                        Originally posted by SlowMan View Post
                        None that I can think of. The thing with the national debt is that it can never be paid off; only managed, like growing the GDP and lowering the percentage of debt to the GDP.
                        None that you can think of? Then you don't know anything about it. It's been done, many times.

                        And who said anything about paying it off? I said reduced.

                        About 100% of GDP. The debt is 240% of GDP, meaning a 140% net debt.
                        Yup. And more of those assets are foreign than debt is foreign, which throws the Greek comparison totally out of the window. Greece is stuffed because not only is its government debt largely foreign, but its citizens also owe lots of money abroad, which means that some of the traditional means of managing down domestic debt would produce catastrophic results. Japan is in exactly the opposite situation. Both the government & the citizenry have massive net foreign assets, giving a huge buffer against the hardships that tough action on domestic debt could produce.

                        Unlike past debts that went into infrastructures, the new debts go into pensions and local government financial supports and so on so no asset is left, and the problem will get worse as pension receiving retirees explode while tax paying workers decrease.
                        Japan is still spending on pointless infrastructure. Have you seen Japanese roads? There's money to be saved there, & a vast amount of that past infrastructure spending was waste, taking value from the productive economy, no more useful than making things & throwing them in the sea. Cutting it is not a bad thing.

                        Japan is also suffering from disastrous self-inflicted economic wounds. The problems you describe exist, but are not insuperable, given political will. It could, for example, do the economy & public finances a power of good by re-starting all the nuclear power plants which have remained closed since completing maintenance, & save huge amounts of public money by sorting out the road building problem.

                        The pensions burden can be addressed, & some action is being taken, at last, e.g. the raising of the mandatory retirement age - though the law is inadequate.

                        Japan's chief economic problem is the lack of will to do what's needed. Greece, on the other hand, is up the proverbial faecal waterway & lacking means of propulsion. There's no way out but suffering & hard work, over a long time. Dealing with corruption would help, but mostly in terms of removing obstacles to recovery, rather than raising the money to pay off debt - though it would go a small way towards doing that. But corruption as pervasive as that in Greece is not something which can be dealt with quickly. Ditto the dysfunctional public administrative services.
                        Juris praecepta sunt haec: honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere.
                        Justinian

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                          #52
                          Originally posted by Italy View Post
                          Putin disagrees, in fact he wants to try talking about the islands again this weekend
                          The Russian position is quite clear, they are not returning any island. Putin wants to talk about LNG gas pipe to Japan(Japan is desperate for LNG to power its power plants after the nuclear power shut down).

                          Originally posted by swerve View Post
                          None that you can think of? Then you don't know anything about it. It's been done, many times.
                          Examples please?

                          And who said anything about paying it off? I said reduced.
                          Which is a pay-off, which cannot be done.

                          Japan is in exactly the opposite situation. Both the government & the citizenry have massive net foreign assets
                          Private sector, yes.
                          Government, no.

                          Japan is still spending on pointless infrastructure. Have you seen Japanese roads? There's money to be saved there, & a vast amount of that past infrastructure spending was waste, taking value from the productive economy, no more useful than making things & throwing them in the sea. Cutting it is not a bad thing.
                          And all the construction workers go unemployed.

                          It could, for example, do the economy & public finances a power of good by re-starting all the nuclear power plants which have remained closed
                          And how does that increase tax collection and cut spending on social welfare?

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                            #53
                            Is this how the Mitsubishi full scale 5th gen will look like?
                            http://www.mod.go.jp/j/approach/hyou.../sankou/14.pdf
                            http://www.mod.go.jp/j/approach/hyou.../sankou/16.pdf
                            http://www.mod.go.jp/j/approach/hyou.../sankou/15.pdf
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                            NO to NATO
                            NO to WAR!

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                              #54
                              they rip off j21 design! funny they post it today when j21 is revealed

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                                #55
                                Originally posted by Tigershark View Post
                                they rip off j21 design! funny they post it today when j21 is revealed
                                Because the "J-21" uses such original design features right?
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                                  #56
                                  It's been posted before (perhaps a week or two) the images of J-21/31 came out yesterday.

                                  What i find really interesting is that no other Stealth fighter either planned or in testing (AMCA, KFX, this japanese "ATF-X", J-20, SAC AMF, T-50 , F-35) uses flat nozzles. Must be something unacceptably bad about them (weight , loss of thrust , TVC limitations , added cost and complexity etc.)
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                                  NO to NATO
                                  NO to WAR!

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                                    #57
                                    Hey spoil sport.
                                    Pls do not post logical post here, it make all the recent of the post here even further painfully to read..
                                    And now they invaded this thread as well.
                                    Thanks

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                                      #58
                                      Originally posted by mack8 View Post
                                      It's been posted before (perhaps a week or two) the images of J-21/31 came out yesterday.

                                      What i find really interesting is that no other Stealth fighter either planned or in testing (AMCA, KFX, this japanese "ATF-X", J-20, SAC AMF, T-50 , F-35) uses flat nozzles. Must be something unacceptably bad about them (weight , loss of thrust , TVC limitations , added cost and complexity etc.)
                                      its because all those fighters use non-US engines, all of which haven't developed a production model with flat nozzles.. although Russians did have an experiment going on.
                                      F-35 on the other hand, their selection of a round nozzle might be due to the fact that the B version had to bend its nozzle down to achieve lift

                                      other wise X-32 and YF-23 also had a flat nozzle and so did Lockheed's early model before X-35

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                                        #59
                                        Originally posted by mack8 View Post
                                        It's been posted before (perhaps a week or two) the images of J-21/31 came out yesterday.

                                        What i find really interesting is that no other Stealth fighter either planned or in testing (AMCA, KFX, this japanese "ATF-X", J-20, SAC AMF, T-50 , F-35) uses flat nozzles. Must be something unacceptably bad about them (weight , loss of thrust , TVC limitations , added cost and complexity etc.)
                                        Sure.. The fact that even Lockeed alone have given up this concept with the F-35 alone speaks volumes..

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                                          #60
                                          Originally posted by MSphere View Post
                                          Sure.. The fact that even Lockeed alone have given up this concept with the F-35 alone speaks volumes..
                                          F-35 is just a cheap alternative to the much better F-22, F-35, by its original design concept, tend to use affordable technogolies.

                                          So F-35 use a should-be cheap alternative jet engine that is actually hopeless at super-cruise and super-sonic performance, due to its very high by-pass ratio.

                                          Thats why they dont even bother with the 2D-nozzle (which is optimized for super-sonic performance) for F-35.

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