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    #21
    Originally posted by Trident View Post
    Speaking of the Nimrod, how about the UK buying the P-1 over the P-8 under the newly established military development link with Japan? With the BR710 developed for the Nimrod in approximately the right thrust range (and already hardened against corrosion), you could even do the traditional UK-specific engine swap which would give some commonality with the Sentinel R1 There even is less danger than usual for the scope of the engine mod to balloon out of proportion, thanks to the podded installation on the host airframe. Quite a few other countries in Western Europe might potentially be interested in future too, those P-3s and Atlantics won't last forever. Both being "Western", the potential market for the P-1 probably overlaps many of the possible P-8 customers in general.
    Dammit, you've been reading my mind.

    A P-1 with BR710s (we have some marinised ones already bought & paid for) & whatever other kit already bought for the MRA4 that could be easily & integrated would (1) do nicely, & (2) offer scope for British participation in other P-1 exports.
    Juris praecepta sunt haec: honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere.
    Justinian

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      #22
      ] missile with an AESA seeker ?

      This?

      http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/jsp_i...p27-428848.xml

      "Japan's Air-to-Air Upgrade

      Japan already has bought Raytheon AIM-120 Amraams, so why is it spending 36 billion ($468 million) to upgrade about 60 F-2 fighters with the Mitsubishi Electric Corp. AAM-4B missile?"
      Republic of Korea Air Force KF-16 missing photographs

      http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-databas...irforce/ROKAF/

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        #23
        AW&ST, 21st Dec 2011, reported this: "The cost of buying 70 Kawasaki Heavy Industries P-1 maritime aircraft and running them for 48 years is estimated at 2.285 trillion."

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          #24
          Originally posted by Don Chan View Post
          ] missile with an AESA seeker ?

          This?

          http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/jsp_i...p27-428848.xml

          "Japan's Air-to-Air Upgrade

          Japan already has bought Raytheon AIM-120 Amraams, so why is it spending 36 billion ($468 million) to upgrade about 60 F-2 fighters with the Mitsubishi Electric Corp. AAM-4B missile?"
          Maybe the AESA seeker has a higher tolerance to counter measures ?
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            #25
            Originally posted by Twinblade View Post
            Maybe the AESA seeker has a higher tolerance to counter measures ?
            http://www.mod.go.jp/j/approach/othe...df/06/01_1.pdf
            sorry it's Japanese but page 14, it said AAM-4B has changed from AAM-4,
            1, new AESA radar
            2, new data processing system

            AESA radar improves transmission signal power so more stand-off range.
            New data processing system improves to handle the target moving laterally.

            These modifications also improve ECCM ability and against cruise missiles.

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              #26
              http://mytown.asahi.com/fukuoka/news...00001203140002

              13 March 2012:
              Blue Impulse, JASDF, originally based at Matsushima AB, Miyagi Prefecture.
              Temporary deployment to Ashiya AB, Fukuoka Prefecture, extends one year, to 2013 March.
              Republic of Korea Air Force KF-16 missing photographs

              http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-databas...irforce/ROKAF/

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                #27
                http://www.mutusinpou.co.jp/news/2012/03/20600.html

                25 March 2012:
                B-65 Umibato. Trainer.
                JMSDF.
                Retired, and displayed almost 30 years, near Shoukou Kaikan, Hiraka District, Hirakawa City, Aomori Prefecture.
                This summer, disassemble, and return to JMSDF.

                http://hirasho.or.jp/

                http://maps.google.co.jp/maps/place?...27621866333880

                Hirakawa City Commerce and Industry.
                Last edited by Don Chan; 25th March 2012, 15:39.
                Republic of Korea Air Force KF-16 missing photographs

                http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-databas...irforce/ROKAF/

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                  #28
                  AAM-4B is a substantially larger AAM, suitable for kill shots on larger aircraft than the AMRAAM. Assuming the missiles hit with 100% accuracy and the target is within the lethal radius, it would take approximately two AMRAAM to impart the same punishment as one AAM-4B. This is one of the reasons that a Sea Sparrow derivative has been suggested for use as an AAM. More bang per pop.
                  Go Huskers!

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                    #29
                    Japan Can Crash Down N.Korea Satellite If Necessary



                    The Japanese Armed Forces could shoot down North Koreas satellite, planned to be launched next month, as the need arises, Japan's Sankei newspaper reported on Saturday quoting Defense Minister Naoki Tanaka as saying.

                    The North Korean state news agency KCNA announced on Friday that it would launch an earth observation satellite next month to mark the 100th birthday of its late founding leader Kim Il-sung. The planned launch will be in violation of North Koreas international obligations and a UN resolution banning Pyongyang from conducting ballistic missile launches.

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                      #30
                      are Japanese F-15s upgraded with AESA, either American ones or Japanese ones? anyone know?

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                        #31
                        How serious are Japan with this ATD concept ? Seems reading this Mitsubishi sites indicated they are getting serious.

                        http://www.4-traders.com/MITSUBISHI-...r-Ai-14242208/

                        Is this potential F-3 ? or just another technological demonstrator. After all Japan already committed to F-35 right ? Does any of you gents now what they mean the project scheduled for completion in 2017 ? Is this mean a working prototype will be available in 2017 ? Now they only begin to build full scale model in 2012, however the first flight scheduled on 2014. Is it realistic ?

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                          #32
                          http://www.mhi.co.jp/news/story/1203285190.html

                          "Advanced technology demonstration aircraft project
                          To the production stage
                          Actual size structural test specimen"
                          Republic of Korea Air Force KF-16 missing photographs

                          http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-databas...irforce/ROKAF/

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                            #33
                            Originally posted by ananda View Post
                            How serious are Japan with this ATD concept ? Seems reading this Mitsubishi sites indicated they are getting serious.

                            http://www.4-traders.com/MITSUBISHI-...r-Ai-14242208/

                            Is this potential F-3 ? or just another technological demonstrator. After all Japan already committed to F-35 right ? Does any of you gents now what they mean the project scheduled for completion in 2017 ? Is this mean a working prototype will be available in 2017 ? Now they only begin to build full scale model in 2012, however the first flight scheduled on 2014. Is it realistic ?
                            F-35 seems to be a mere stopgap measure until the long term replacement the ATD-X is ready to replace the F-15s and F-2s

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                              #34
                              Originally posted by Thornado View Post
                              are Japanese F-15s upgraded with AESA, either American ones or Japanese ones? anyone know?
                              F-15Js are upgrading with AN/APG-63(v)1 now. MOD is considering to modify the AESA radar but there is no actual program and if they do, it will be APG-63(v)3 or (v)4.

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                                #35
                                http://www.asagumo-news.com/news/201.../12040517.html

                                A summary of the JASDF aspect of the JMOD budget for fiscal year Heisei 24 (2012).

                                WRT jet fighters...

                                F-35:
                                F-X winner F-35A will replace F-4.
                                The budget will acquire four aircraft and one training simulator.
                                Target is 42 aircraft.

                                F-15:
                                Two aircraft will upgrade their central computer, fighter datalink system, and radar.
                                Also, HMD interacts with AAM-5 Type 04 AAM.

                                One aircraft will upgrade its ECM, RWR, and launching type countermeasure, for better self-protection.

                                F-2:
                                12 aircraft will upgrade their radar for AAM-4 Type 99 AAM.
                                20 aircraft will add JDAM ability.

                                WRT transports...

                                C-2 will replace C-1.
                                Two new aircraft will deploy in Heisei 28 (2016).
                                Two aircraft will first deploy at Miho AB in Heisei 26-27.
                                Tests continue at Gifu AB.
                                Republic of Korea Air Force KF-16 missing photographs

                                http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-databas...irforce/ROKAF/

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                                  #36
                                  http://mainichi.jp/english/english/n...na016000c.html

                                  Prosecutors search Defense Ministry over suspected bid rigging scandal

                                  2012/09/05

                                  The alleged bid rigging involves an order for parts for the new multipurpose helicopter UH-X, a successor to the UH-1J, which would be used by the Ground Self-Defense Force (GSDF) for a variety of missions including the transport of goods and personnel, the sources said.
                                  Kawasaki Heavy Industries Ltd. announced in March this year that it had received an order for a UH-X helicopter from the Defense Ministry.
                                  The price of the helicopter is said to be about 1 billion yen per unit.

                                  http://e.nikkei.com/e/app/fr/gateway...05D05SS198.htm

                                  Kawasaki Heavy Falls 5% On Helicopter Bid-Rigging Probe

                                  Wednesday, September 5, 2012

                                  TOKYO (NQN)--Shares in Kawasaki Heavy Industries Ltd. (7012) fell sharply Wednesday after The Nikkei reported before the bell that Tokyo prosecutors are looking into possible bid-rigging by several helicopter makers on their shipments to the Ground Self-Defense Force.
                                  Last edited by Don Chan; 6th September 2012, 11:52.
                                  Republic of Korea Air Force KF-16 missing photographs

                                  http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-databas...irforce/ROKAF/

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                                    #37
                                    Originally posted by ananda View Post
                                    How serious are Japan with this ATD concept?
                                    The Japanese government finance is in a pretty terrible situation at the moment.

                                    The Japanese government is currently operating in a partial default mode, where the central government stopped financial aid payments to local governments due to lack of fund because of the Japan's version of debt ceiling stand-off between the DPJ and the LDP, with a full default set in November if nothing is done.

                                    With a public debt to GDP ratio of 240%, the Japanese government's ability to issue new debt is almost spent, and the Japanese government will have to enter a Greece style austerity sooner or later.

                                    And that would hit Japan's defense spending directly.

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                                      #38
                                      Russia isn't offering any of the islands anymore.
                                      That ship has long sailed.
                                      sigpic

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                                        #39
                                        Originally posted by SlowMan View Post
                                        The Japanese government finance is in a pretty terrible situation at the moment.

                                        The Japanese government is currently operating in a partial default mode, where the central government stopped financial aid payments to local governments due to lack of fund because of the Japan's version of debt ceiling stand-off between the DPJ and the LDP, with a full default set in November if nothing is done.

                                        With a public debt to GDP ratio of 240%, the Japanese government's ability to issue new debt is almost spent, and the Japanese government will have to enter a Greece style austerity sooner or later.

                                        And that would hit Japan's defense spending directly.
                                        There are big & essential differences between Greece & Japan. The Greek state owes huge amounts to foreigners, in foreign currencies. The Japanese government owes huge amounts to its own citizens, in its own currency. That gives Japan many options which are closed to Greece.

                                        Greece (not just the government) has been a net foreign debtor for many years, & that debt has massively increased in the last few years. Japan as a whole is a huge net foreign creditor, owning far more foreign assets than what it owes foreigners.

                                        Whatever happens with Japanese government debt, it won't resemble Greece in the slightest.
                                        Last edited by swerve; 7th September 2012, 22:30.
                                        Juris praecepta sunt haec: honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere.
                                        Justinian

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                                          #40
                                          Originally posted by swerve View Post
                                          The Greek state owes huge amounts to foreigners, in foreign currencies. The Japanese government owes huge amounts to its own citizens, in its own currency.
                                          And you think Japanese citizen bond holders are less angry at Japanese government than foreign bond holders at the event of debt default?

                                          Whatever happens with Japanese government debt, it won't resemble Greece in the slightest.
                                          Sure it will.

                                          At certain time, there is going to be no more new Japanese government bond buyers left, and the Japanese government can't raise enough money to meet its obligations without the bond sales. When that happens Japan must enter a Greek-style austerity to fund itself without selling additional bonds, which means a higher tax, and halving of government spending including the defense budget.

                                          At that time, Japanese government must lay off half the troops and stop buying new weapons.

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