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  • CoffeeBean
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    Another M2k went down and seems like again it was an engine issue.

    http://frontierindia.net/indiandefen...an-pilot-safe/

    Maybe they will have to ground the fleet till the problem is identified.

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    Seems like the fleet is indeed grounded for now as per Livefist tweet. Engine flamed out at 16k feet.

    https://twitter.com/#!/livefist
    Last edited by CoffeeBean; 5th March 2012, 11:14.

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    • Twinblade
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      http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct...TnQrOiHYtGR8YQ

      Mirage fleet has been grounded following today's crash.
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      • TR1
        TR1
        http://tiny.cc/tp8kd

        Pilot ejected safety, chin up men!
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        • Kramer
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          Originally posted by killerbean View Post
          Another M2k went down and seems like again it was an engine issue.

          http://frontierindia.net/indiandefen...an-pilot-safe/

          Maybe they will have to ground the fleet till the problem is identified.

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          Seems like the fleet is indeed grounded for now as per Livefist tweet. Engine flamed out at 16k feet.

          https://twitter.com/#!/livefist
          While the Mirages have had a good safety record, the single engine does leave no margin for safety if the engine has any issues. One of the reasons why the IAF wanted a twin engine MRCA..
          "By the whiskers of Kurvi-Tasch!"

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          • JSR
            JSR
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            how Mirage has good safety record. It is now competing with MIG-21. considering the size & age of fleet.
            how many MIG-21 that were produced between 1983-1988 got crashed? considering the difference in 1980s manufacturing method and quality control between HAL & Dassualt.

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            • WinterStars
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              Originally posted by Twinblade View Post
              http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct...TnQrOiHYtGR8YQ

              Mirage fleet has been grounded following today's crash.
              With Lots of vintage fighters falling down from the skies, IAF needs to revisit their war-fighting capabilities.
              M2K ~ roughly 28 years
              MiG 21 ~ roughly 45 Years!!
              Jaguar ~ roughly 32 Years
              MiG 27 ~ roughly 35 years

              The Tejas is nowhere to be found in times of need. How will the aircraft strength be maintained if the fighters went down on their own before even facing the enemy. I wonder what would be on the pilot's mind before taking off in one of those old aircrafts. Unfortunately not all pilots were lucky enough to have survived the crashes in the past
              Anyway, what is the average age of the airframe of the fighters in most of the significant airforces worldwide??
              Rafale and Su30MKI are needed in bigger numbers. I am not too sure the IAF Chief would be sitting comfortably thinking about the LCA MK2 or the AMCA. If these don't get close to the requirements what then would replace the MiG29, M2K, Jaguar, etc

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              • Kramer
                Evil Bordurian

                Originally posted by WinterStars View Post
                With Lots of vintage fighters falling down from the skies, IAF needs to revisit their war-fighting capabilities.
                M2K ~ roughly 28 years
                MiG 21 ~ roughly 45 Years!!
                Jaguar ~ roughly 32 Years
                MiG 27 ~ roughly 35 years
                Get your facts right. the IAF isn't flying 45 year old MiG-21s. the last MiG-21Bis to roll off an HAL assembly line was sometime in mid-1980s. the IAF is not going to fly fighters that have crossed their service lives.

                Besides, the Mirages are fine- they will go through an upgrade that will add to their service life and so their age alone is not the issue. Jaguars have been upgraded and are going to go through another upgrade as well not to mention that 37 of them were inducted only around 10 years ago. 40 MiG-27s have also been upgraded and are anyway slated for retirement by 2020 or so. Till then, they have useful life left which the IAF will exploit fully.

                This age-alone is important logic would mean that most of the USAF is obsolete since the bulk of their F-15 and F-16 fleet is as old as that if not older. Our neighbour to the west is saddled with a very large fleet of obsolete MiG-clones and Mirages that aren't young either and their F-16s are as old as our Mirages. Perhaps the same thoughts must be passing through the PAF chief's mind as well.
                "By the whiskers of Kurvi-Tasch!"

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                • Twinblade
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                  ^^ Yeah, but they aren't exactly fresh either. The age of 21's going down in 2010 was between 34 and 38 years !!!
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                  • BlackArcher
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                    Originally posted by JSR View Post
                    how Mirage has good safety record. It is now competing with MIG-21. considering the size & age of fleet.
                    how many MIG-21 that were produced between 1983-1988 got crashed? considering the difference in 1980s manufacturing method and quality control between HAL & Dassualt.
                    Nonsense.

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                    • Corrosion
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                      I am afraid nothing can be done about the age of aircraft IAF is currently operating. Currently IAF are getting around 14-16 MKI airframes per year. Add to that a few LCAs but those are not going into service yet. But over next 6 years they are going to retire about 150 Mig21(Bison and Bis)....i.e. if there are no delay with MMRCA. Mig27 which are not IAF favourite, I dont expect them to last long either if given a chance to IAF. There are about 100 of these as well. Then their are older Jaguars. There is no way IAF can even think of retiring M2ks and/or Mig29s. These two types will serve 20 more years like it or not.
                      If these don't get close to the requirements what then would replace the MiG29, M2K, Jaguar, etc
                      More Rafales and also FGFA.

                      BTW No body is stopping India from ordering F-35 in 2025 or so....if AMCA doesn't deliver or having a Fifth gen. MMRCA tender.. If there is demand there will be supply, well atleast in Indian context
                      Last edited by Corrosion; 6th March 2012, 14:16.

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                      • Corrosion
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                        Originally posted by Twinblade View Post
                        http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct...TnQrOiHYtGR8YQ

                        Mirage fleet has been grounded following today's crash.
                        And that link shows a picture of Rafale. They all look the same to random journos/reporters.
                        Last edited by Corrosion; 6th March 2012, 14:39.

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                        • Twinblade
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                          Updates on Kaveri.


                          So the revised engine will be rated at 91.6 KN ?
                          Last edited by Twinblade; 6th March 2012, 16:36.
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                          • Twinblade
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                            Soon... says AK
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                            • RayR
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                              I dont know why Tarmak has become such a tease recently...like Aroor or suman sharma...may be at some level all journalists are the same
                              PEOPLE.FIRST.MISSION.ALWAYS.
                              Have a good one..

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                              • Twinblade
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                                ^^ The poor guy can't help it if the program keeps missing deadline. What was supposed to be a Diwali present turned Christmas gift is arriving after Holi.
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                                • BlackArcher
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                                  Mirage deal is going through with first payments made.

                                  NEW DELHI: India has started making payments to French defence major Dassault Aviation for upgrading its fleet of Mirage 2000 aircraft under a deal worth $2.4 billion.

                                  The Indian government has started making payments for the deal to upgrade the Mirage aircraft, sources said.

                                  As a result of the payments released for the deal by India, the price of dollar was impacted upon in the exchange today.

                                  As per the proposal, French firms Dassault and Thales will upgrade the aircraft, which will add 20-25 years to the life of the Mirages, inducted by the IAF in the mid-80s.

                                  Two different proposals, one for the upgrade of systems of the aircraft and the other for over 400 MICA missiles for the upgraded fleet, were placed before the CCS.

                                  Under the deal, the French firms will help in upgrading the avionics, navigation systems, mission computers, electronic warfare systems and radars bringing the aircraft to the Mirage-2000-5 standards.

                                  The French companies will have to invest over $900 million into the Indian defence sector as defence offsets.

                                  As per the Indian defence offsets policy, foreign vendors bagging deals worth over Rs 300 crore have to invest at least 30% of the worth of the deal back into the Indian defence, civilian aerospace and homeland security sectors.

                                  As per the agreement, India has sent two of its aircraft to France for upgrades and thereafter the rest would be upgraded at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited facilities.
                                  India makes payments to French firm to upgrade Mirage fleet

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                                  • Jō Asakura
                                    多聞天

                                    Originally posted by Twinblade View Post
                                    Updates on Kaveri.


                                    So the revised engine will be rated at 91.6 KN ?
                                    That sounds like Snecma's M-88X (as it has an almost identical thrust rating).

                                    The program M88-X (9 tons) is a project led by Snecma in connection with the sale of Rafale for United Arab Emirates. This variant will develop 20.250 lbf (from 17,000 lbf (76 kN) currently) justified by the fact that they will operate in a hot weather countries and will be for interception operations. This program could be accelerated by the interest of Kuwait and Libya for a Rafale equipped with this engine. It could also equip the French army in Tranche 4 Rafales ordered the engine to present the same costs of maintenance in operational conditions than previous versions (including "Pack CGP" and "-E4) . The main change in this version is a low pressure compressor larger to increase the flow of engine 65 kg / s to 72 kg / s, with an overall pressure ratio of 27. The three floors of this module will be vaned disc monobloc.
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                                    • CoffeeBean
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                                      Yep, thats what it looks like Jo.

                                      I dont see the point of trying to portray it as anything Indian. It will be wholly designed by the Snecma with screw driver stuff being done by GTRE. The only thing that we would gain are some of the important materials tech.

                                      IMHO, the K9 program should be continued in parallel with a new redesigned core with the tech absorbed from Snecma.

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                                      • quadbike
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                                        So after all this years of pain and effort it becomes another JV in name. I really hope they keep the vanilla Kaveri Core for some other projects, for some future trainer of sorts which needs only that much power.
                                        Love Planes, Live Planes

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                                        • RayR
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                                          Originally posted by Twinblade View Post
                                          ^^ The poor guy can't help it if the program keeps missing deadline. What was supposed to be a Diwali present turned Christmas gift is arriving after Holi.
                                          I meant why post half images when he can show the whole...
                                          PEOPLE.FIRST.MISSION.ALWAYS.
                                          Have a good one..

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