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  • starikki
    Foamy Aviator
    • Dec 2010
    • 222

    Chinese Version of E-2

    http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1130526-1-1.html

    well picture quality is not that good.. you've been warned

    Could this be a side proof of China got reliable catapult technology now?
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  • Iranian F-14A
    Tomcats Forever
    • Feb 2005
    • 465

    #2
    Originally posted by starikki View Post
    http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1130526-1-1.html

    well picture quality is not that good.. you've been warned

    Could this be a side proof of China got reliable catapult technology now?
    With the lack of dihedral of the horizontal stabilizer and larger radome pylon,it looks like the Yak-44E,or a version of it.Be great to see that project finally see the light of day.

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    • i.e.
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 1086

      #3
      wonder what radar this thing carry.
      Radom is too thin to carry a version off KJ-2000.

      AN/APY-9 from Hawkeye-D?

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      • i.e.
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 1086

        #4
        Originally posted by Iranian F-14A View Post
        With the lack of dihedral of the horizontal stabilizer and larger radome pylon,it looks like the Yak-44E,or a version of it.Be great to see that project finally see the light of day.
        yak-44E had 2 instead of 4 Vertical fins.

        ...


        Oh god that Anhedral wing, don't tell me they really moded a Y-7.
        Last edited by i.e.; 6th May 2011, 04:14.

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        • Flanker_man
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Jan 2000
          • 3680

          #5
          Wind tunnel model of Yak-44E......



          Ken
          Flanker Freak & Russian Aviation Enthusiast.
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          • Multirole
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Jan 2000
            • 903

            #6
            But the Varyag remains a STOBAR carrier, how can this thing operate from it?
            pb::

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            • Blitzo
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Jan 2011
              • 1331

              #7
              Originally posted by Multirole View Post
              But the Varyag remains a STOBAR carrier, how can this thing operate from it?
              1 -- I believe E-2 was said to be capable of taking off on a STOBAR carrier when northrop were showing it off for the indians. It's not impossible this Sino-E-2 can as well.
              2, and more likely -- it isn't designed to operate from the Varyag?

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              • Trident
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • May 2004
                • 3965

                #8
                It's all a question of engine power, really. In its later iterations with D-27 propfans, the Yak-44 would probably have been ski-jump capable and there is a newer Beriev project for a carrier-based AEW platform which is fitted with 4 (rather than just two) smaller turboprops. Let's see what powers this thing, then we might be able to make deductions about the state of China's catapult programme.

                As Blitzo says, even the basic E-2 is STOBAR capable with some performance penalties (AFAIK this was even tested with a modest ski-jump angle at one point in the past).
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                • starikki
                  Foamy Aviator
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 222

                  #9
                  Originally posted by i.e. View Post
                  yak-44E had 2 instead of 4 Vertical fins.

                  ...


                  Oh god that Anhedral wing, don't tell me they really moded a Y-7.
                  Very likely

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                  http://lt.cjdby.net/redirect.php?got...fromuid=285557

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                  • Fedaykin
                    Fueled by Tea
                    • Dec 2005
                    • 5293

                    #10
                    If this is for the carrier it is a very interesting development, we already know they have purchased Russian AEW helicopters and have their own in development. It could be that this is for a future carrier fitted out as a CATOBAR type or maybe they are going to fit a waist catapult to Varyag. If not as has been suggested it could run off the ramp but I wonder if it would be very compromised performance wise in that respect.

                    Finally if it is for a future CATOBAR carrier maybe they plan to do touch and goes on the Varyag in the meantime.
                    Because sometimes in life we need a bit of fun

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXNAp3mKepc

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                    • Trident
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • May 2004
                      • 3965

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Fedaykin View Post
                      If not as has been suggested it could run off the ramp but I wonder if it would be very compromised performance wise in that respect.
                      Compromised relative to what though? For the PLAN, the only short-term alternative is rotary wing so I doubt they're worried even if performance losses in STOBAR operations are substantial

                      I also struggle to see a non-naval mission for this, the land-based gap-filler role is already taken by the KJ-200, same with the low-cost export niche.
                      Last edited by Trident; 6th May 2011, 12:12.
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                      • Flanker_man
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Jan 2000
                        • 3680

                        #12
                        Let's not forget that the Sukhoi Su-25UTG, with modest TWR, manages to take off from Kuznetsov.

                        As for Chinese carriers - how about this one??

                        It's already operational......



                        OK - so I doctored it a bit.....



                        It's actually in an amusement park in Shanghai....

                        Ken
                        Flanker Freak & Russian Aviation Enthusiast.
                        Flankers (& others) website at :-
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                        • slipperysam
                          mmmm.... donuts
                          • May 2006
                          • 784

                          #13
                          You had me wondering there Ken... specially the big windows!
                          But still an impressive structure, even if it is concrete!
                          We are 100% SNAFU

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                          • RayR
                            Registered User
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 1566

                            #14
                            I cant help but LOL when I remember that at first when these pictures appeared on the net some chinese posters vehemently claimed it was built as a mockup for practising carrier landings and crew training!
                            PEOPLE.FIRST.MISSION.ALWAYS.
                            Have a good one..

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                            • starikki
                              Foamy Aviator
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 222

                              #15
                              Originally posted by rayrubik View Post
                              I cant help but LOL when I remember that at first when these pictures appeared on the net some chinese posters vehemently claimed it was built as a mockup for practising carrier landings and crew training!
                              That was another one

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                              • RayR
                                Registered User
                                • Aug 2006
                                • 1566

                                #16
                                Originally posted by starikki View Post
                                That was another one
                                I wasnt talking about the one in Wuhan..there were comments about this very one.
                                PEOPLE.FIRST.MISSION.ALWAYS.
                                Have a good one..

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                                • i.e.
                                  Senior Member
                                  • Dec 2010
                                  • 1086

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by starikki View Post
                                  new... everything. If they still try to call it an Y-7 Derivative then those Commies are shameless!

                                  ...

                                  from what I gathered, 14th and 38th Institute is in competition again with the radar.
                                  airplane platform is the nailed down as a single supplier from Shangxi.

                                  AESA rotating array.
                                  Last edited by i.e.; 6th May 2011, 19:46.

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                                  • Iranian F-14A
                                    Tomcats Forever
                                    • Feb 2005
                                    • 465

                                    #18
                                    Well,I guess if they did mod an Y-7 it'd be no worse then Russia modding an An-72 to make the An-71,which I believe was intended for naval use.

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                                    • 35 AoA
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Nov 2010
                                      • 260

                                      #19
                                      wow, they would copy such a crappy design. Hopefully they also reverse engineer the new 8 blade props too.....they add a lot of excitement and danger to a relatively benign airframe

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                                      • Flanker_man
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Jan 2000
                                        • 3680

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Iranian F-14A View Post
                                        Well,I guess if they did mod an Y-7 it'd be no worse then Russia modding an An-72 to make the An-71,which I believe was intended for naval use.
                                        It was never 'intended' for naval use.

                                        It was put forward as a possible solution for a carrier-capable AWACS, but was too heavy - which is why Yakovlev designed the Yak-44E.

                                        The An-71 was a purely land-based design....



                                        Ken
                                        Flanker Freak & Russian Aviation Enthusiast.
                                        Flankers (& others) website at :-
                                        http://flankers.co.uk/

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