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  • CeBro
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Sep 2009
    • 2146

    Small update (bit delayed)

    Last wednesday Lex and I spent a whole day fitting a fairing about 60 cm in length by 6 cm in width beneath the windscreen. But oh boy it looks fantastic. Progress is not so obvious as the last few months but she is now fully skinned and work is progressing on the canopy framing.
    Any tips how to form perspex for the "brow" panels?

    Cheers
    Cees
    Last edited by CeBro; 25th June 2010, 10:41.

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    • Fouga23
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Jan 2006
      • 2257

      Cees,
      Any pictures you can share of the fully "skineed" fuselage?
      Magister Aviation
      It's all in my book

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      • TempestV
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Dec 2003
        • 1506

        Originally posted by CeBro View Post
        Small update (bit delayed)

        Last wednesday Lex and I spent a whole day fitting a fairing about 60 cm in length by 6 cm in width beneath the windscreen. But oh boy it looks fantastic. Progress is not so obvious as the last few months but she is now fully skineed and work is progressing on the canopy framing.
        Any tips how to form perspex for the "brow" panels?

        Cheers
        Cees
        Hi Cees,
        Firstly, may I congratulate you and Lex on your continued progress. Its brilliant to see this Halifax appear before our eyes.

        To answer your perspex question, do you have any good photos of the original "brow" panels? If the "brow" part has single curvature, this will be easier to form, however, if it has double curvature this following method will still be possible.... just a little harder to make the mold!

        The cheapest method, is to make a drape mold in the shape of the inside form of the panel, and coat it with a fine felt mateiral. Any curvature on it, will have to be slightly smaller than required, to allow for the perspex relaxing when it cools. You will need some halogen lamps to warm the sheet, and when pliable enough, then you will have to hold it down over the mold untill it cools.

        You will have to learn the process by trial and error, but this is easier to do than trying to blow mold for example.

        Hope this helps.
        Last edited by TempestV; 1st July 2010, 20:49.

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        • CeBro
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Sep 2009
          • 2146

          Thanks David,

          You just confirmed what we were thinking about how to tackle this difficult task, but we keep that till last.

          Fortunately the majority of the perspex windows have only curvature in one direction. I have the footage of the reconstruction of YAM's Halifax and they used the same technique. Making the mould isn't easy though.

          Pity the team at Trenton didn't save their moulds.

          Cees

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          • Frazer Nash
            They hosed them out...
            • Jul 2008
            • 293

            To quote a fictional character who was 'good for morale & bad for discipline':

            If I get you the wood will you make me a Sunderland for my birthday?
            "We've got the bleeding Groupie's hairpiece tangled in the undercart"

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            • hindenburg
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Aug 2007
              • 1402

              There`s a torch to fit your cockpit holder on ebay at the moment listed as `ww2 raf torch`
              `Information is the currency of democracy`. Thomas Jefferson

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              • CeBro
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Sep 2009
                • 2146

                Hi Martin,

                Thanks for the tip

                Latest update as of today, work on trial fitting the canopy strips is very advanced.

                Cheers
                Cees

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                • hindenburg
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 1402

                  Did you get the torch ?????
                  `Information is the currency of democracy`. Thomas Jefferson

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                  • CeBro
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 2146

                    Yes Martin,

                    Sorted, thanks again.

                    Cheers
                    Cees

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                    • CeBro
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 2146

                      Just a pic to show the position where the torch is fitted (and will replace the modern plastic version currently in place).

                      Cees
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                      • Peter
                        Moderator
                        • Jan 2000
                        • 12508

                        That clip to the right of the torch what does that hold?
                        Cheers,Peter
                        "Merlins always drip oil, when they don't....worry!"

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                        • hindenburg
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Aug 2007
                          • 1402

                          Looking Fantastic Cees !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so glad you got the torch !!!!!!!!
                          `Information is the currency of democracy`. Thomas Jefferson

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                          • CeBro
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 2146

                            Peter,

                            That's where a handheld fireextinghuisher is fitted but I am still on the lookout for one. I can use one from the Stirling investigation but that would be on loan basis only. As this cockpit project is mine (and has nothing to do with the museum) and also fully paid for by me I wish to only use my own parts. I had such a bottle off ebay last year but the vendor had sold it before the auction ended (which I had won).

                            Thanks Martin, tips like these are really helpful.

                            The power of the FP Forum

                            Cees

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                            • hindenburg
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Aug 2007
                              • 1402

                              can you post a pic of the extinguisher you`re looking fot ?
                              `Information is the currency of democracy`. Thomas Jefferson

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                              • CeBro
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Sep 2009
                                • 2146

                                Martin,

                                Same one as the ones you are looking for. see the pic on page two of this thread.

                                Cees

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                                • hindenburg
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Aug 2007
                                  • 1402

                                  are the bottle bodies the same as the later extinguishers ?? if so I could get the tops copied if I can get an example.
                                  `Information is the currency of democracy`. Thomas Jefferson

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                                  • Peter
                                    Moderator
                                    • Jan 2000
                                    • 12508

                                    Thanks Cees,
                                    I have a section of bombaimers skin from a lancaster and on the inside is a perfect mounting clip for the what I now understand is an extinguisher thanks to you!
                                    Cheers,Peter
                                    "Merlins always drip oil, when they don't....worry!"

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                                    • CeBro
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Sep 2009
                                      • 2146

                                      Taken today

                                      The pilot's overhead panel is now in place, some of the fuselage skinning has been removed to enable us to fit the trimming controls.
                                      Pic of the quarter window (which can be opened) and it's drawing as well as the drawing for the firebottle and torch holder as discussed before.

                                      Another enjoyable and fruitful day.

                                      Cees
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                                      • 12jaguar
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Apr 2007
                                        • 1632

                                        That really is looking great Cees. We need to develop the determination to progress that you obviously have

                                        John
                                        http://www.stirlingproject.co.uk

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                                        • CeBro
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • Sep 2009
                                          • 2146

                                          John,

                                          Just a matter of perseverance, start by A to B etc. etc.
                                          To see this cockpit grow is magic and addictive.

                                          Cees

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