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  • longshot
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    • Aug 2008
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    Less Common Transport Aircraft

    From all eras....for a starter the Martin Mars in its original configuration...vertical tail changed to huge single unit ,originally designed as a patrol bomber, the handful built served as US Navy transports then as civilian waterbombers see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN5PY91sO7A

    (following on from Less Common Post-1939 Transport Aircraft)
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  • l.garey
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    • Feb 2006
    • 1907

    #2
    A rare old Italian

    I wonder if these two pictures fit in this new thread. They are part of the collection that Tony Tubbenhauer took at Benghazi in 1943, and that we published on http://l.garey.googlepages.com/benghazigraveyard

    Two views of an interesting SM79. This is not the usual hunchbacked bomber version, but an SM79T "Atlantici" of which three were used on the famous flight from Rome to Rio in January 1938. The wording on the fuselage is:
    ALA LITTORIA S.A. LINEE ATLANTICHE
    This is probably I-ALAN, used for regular flights between Italy and Brazil, mostly for mail. In May-June 1940 it was impressed in military service, still in civil markings, for flights in the Mediterranean area and to Abyssinia. On July 16 1940, en route to Abyssinia, it aborted take off at Benghazi and the undercarriage collapsed. British troops found the wreck in February 1941, and Tony found it still there in 1943 when flying Baltimores with 203 Sqd RAF.




    Laurence Garey
    Laurence

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    • Tillerman
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      • Sep 2005
      • 301

      #3
      Here's another transport type which you don't see too often, the Arado Ar 232 Tausendfussler (Millipede). 22 were built.



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      They locked up a man
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      They locked up the wrong man

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      • longshot
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        • Aug 2008
        • 1604

        #4
        Thanks, l.carey....wonderful photos...it's so hard to find records of the 2 year S. Atlantic landplane service by LATI

        Tillerman...I shall read up 'Winkle' Brown's comments on the Arado 232 tonight!

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        • longshot
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          • Aug 2008
          • 1604

          #5
          Breda Transports

          Breda Zappata BZ308 and Breda 44 company photos, web sources...Breda Pittoni BP471 company photo scanned from Janes A.W.A 1951/52 (info Air Britain ab-ix forum/and Tony Pratt)... registered I-BIPI very appropriate ... The historical group ISEC say they'll add some more pics of the BP471 to this Breda Aeronautica album on Flickr soon

          Does anyone on this forum know if the Breda 44 really contained any design elements of the DH Dragon or Rapide, or it is just a myth that Breda had a DH licence?

          http://www.flickr.com/photos/fondazi...7606218595385/
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          • longshot
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            • Aug 2008
            • 1604

            #6
            The curvy Sud-Ouest Bretagne

            Resulting from a prompt by 'avion ancien' on the 'post-1939'thread http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=85176
            a shapely French transport designed in WWII, which I photographed 50 years ago with my Brownie 127 at Blackbushe during Farnborough week
            On the link to the excellent 1000 Aircraft Photos site a manufacturers shot of the Nene powered Bretagne development, the SO-30R

            http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contri...raas/4343L.jpg
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            • keithnewsome
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              • Aug 2007
              • 2324

              #7
              Some horrible little pics ! sorry ! Keith

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              • longshot
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                • Aug 2008
                • 1604

                #8
                Agusta AZ-8

                Thanks, keithnewsome....a Flightglobal pic on this link
                http://flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/v...=agusta%20az-8

                on that page there's a mention of a 'Republic Rainbow' pitched between the Viscount and Electra in size with Dart or T-64 engines...a new one for me ...I'd heard of the 1946 Rainbow, piston powered though......also came across an Agusta AZ.1 project with twin Proteus turboprops on another Flight page

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                • longshot
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                  • Aug 2008
                  • 1604

                  #9
                  Scottish Aviation Twin Pioneer

                  JF Airlines services from Portsmouth to the Channel Islands about 1971 was a rare use of the Twin Pioneer in the U.K....it was slower than some helicopters. The YAK-40 jet (I-JAKA) had been demonstrated to JF Airlines on Portsmouth's grass airfield a few days before I took this photo....I wonder if someone has a pic of the YAK-40 there
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                  • mike currill
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                    • Jul 2003
                    • 8791

                    #10
                    Originally posted by longshot View Post
                    Breda Zappata BZ308 and Breda 44 company photos, web sources...Breda Pittoni BP471 company photo scanned from Janes A.W.A 1951/52 (info Air Britain ab-ix forum/and Tony Pratt)... registered I-BIPI very appropriate ... The historical group ISEC say they'll add some more pics of the BP471 to this Breda Aeronautica album on Flickr soon

                    Does anyone on this forum know if the Breda 44 really contained any design elements of the DH Dragon or Rapide, or it is just a myth that Breda had a DH licence?

                    http://www.flickr.com/photos/fondazi...7606218595385/
                    If Breda didn't have a DH licence then there was certainly some pinching of ideas going on by the look of the 44, looks just like a Rapide. Oopsd sorry just had another look. Those wing tips are more Dragon than Rapide.
                    The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its original size.

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                    • longshot
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                      • Aug 2008
                      • 1604

                      #11
                      Tu-70

                      Tupolev reverse engineered the Tu-4 bomber and this from the B-29s crashlanded near Vladivostok in 1944
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                      • avion ancien
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                        • Aug 2007
                        • 5162

                        #12
                        Originally posted by longshot View Post
                        JF Airlines services from Portsmouth to the Channel Islands about 1971 was a rare use of the Twin Pioneer in the U.K....it was slower than some helicopters. The YAK-40 jet (I-JAKA) had been demonstrated to JF Airlines on Portsmouth's grass airfield a few days before I took this photo....I wonder if someone has a pic of the YAK-40 there
                        There's a very interesting history to JF Airlines that deserves to be told (or maybe someone has already done so). In the meantime I wonder if a certain forumite wants to post images of their Herons or Islanders not only at Portsmouth but also at Shoreham.

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                        • longshot
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                          • Aug 2008
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                          #13
                          Republic Rainbow

                          Republic produced the XR-12 photo reconnaissance aircraft at the end of WWII....the high speed Rainbow airliner project was derived from it and Pan Am expressed an interest (pic from Stinsonflyer site...home of some great photos)

                          How a Pan Am Rainbow might have looked...
                          http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2501...48918155xwsbOi
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                          • longshot
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                            • Aug 2008
                            • 1604

                            #14
                            AW 55 Apollo

                            The pretty Apollo was a contemporary of the Viscount but didn't go into production....its engines the Armstrong Siddeley Mamba reached maturity in the Fairey Gannet....this is VX220
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                            • longshot
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                              • Aug 2008
                              • 1604

                              #15
                              Northrop C-120 Raider

                              Few Raiders were built....this one (pic from excellent Stinsonflyer site) was in an Arctic Rescue unit....Canadair negotiated a licence but did not build any
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                              • longshot
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                                • Aug 2008
                                • 1604

                                #16
                                JF Airlines and Jersey Ferry Airlines

                                Originally posted by avion ancien View Post
                                There's a very interesting history to JF Airlines that deserves to be told (or maybe someone has already done so). In the meantime I wonder if a certain forumite wants to post images of their Herons or Islanders not only at Portsmouth but also at Shoreham.
                                I shot this one at Heathrow 13 months after the Twin Pioneer at Portsmouth ...what was the connection between JF and Jersey Ferry, avion ancien?
                                http://www.airliners.net/photo/Jerse...114/0801397/L/

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                                • avion ancien
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                                  • Aug 2007
                                  • 5162

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by longshot View Post
                                  I shot this one at Heathrow 13 months after the Twin Pioneer at Portsmouth ...what was the connection between JF and Jersey Ferry, avion ancien?
                                  http://www.airliners.net/photo/Jerse...114/0801397/L/
                                  I'm away from home at present and so working from memory only (usually a dangerous thing in my case!). If I remember correctly, JF were the initials of the business man who founded the airline. I seem to think that he was a Portsmouth councillor and that his reasons for establishing the airline were connected to the withdrawal of an existing scheduled service (Channel Airways?) out of Portsmouth. If my memory is serving me badly and I'm hopelessly wrong, I trust that someone will correct me. Whether there is a connection with Jersey Ferry (a name that rings only dull bells with me) I cannot say. I'll try to to find out more when I return home.

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                                  • garryrussell
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                                    • Jun 2008
                                    • 656

                                    #18
                                    From what I remember

                                    JF Airlines was John Fisher Airlines

                                    It was sold and became Jersey Ferry Airlines to keep the same JFA initials

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                                    • keithnewsome
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Aug 2007
                                      • 2324

                                      #19
                                      How about the Avro Ashton ? I think it looked the part ? Keith.



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                                      • longshot
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                                        • Aug 2008
                                        • 1604

                                        #20
                                        JF Airlines and Avro Ashton

                                        Thanks avion ancien and garryrussell...its occurred to me to read up on JF in the British Independent Airlines book

                                        keithnewsome...I think the Ashton was derived from the Tudor and I think they did quite a stylish job....in the Robert D Archer photopage on link theres a very good Farnborough shot of the Ashton and some nice colour from Heathrow ca.1953 e.g a pre-war? Swissair DC-3 HB-IRA and a TAE (Greece) DC-4 (in the DC-4 album) shot from the 1953-only enclosure reached by walking (escorted) across the live taxiway near the Northside control tower
                                        http://www.pbase.com/marauder61/avia...obert_d_archer

                                        and while the standard DC-3 is a bit off-topic I just noticed that some of Swissairs pre-war Fokker supplied DC-3s had starboard (RH) pax doors like HB-IRA and some had port (LH) doors, see link... http://www.sr692.com/fleet/12_dc3/index.html
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