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  • RAF Millom
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Dec 2006
    • 340

    Info On Crewman Required

    Hi Looking for any info/circumstances of death on the following person

    Sgt Gordon Andrew McKenzie, RAFVR

    Listed as killed 7th April 1941 on St Peter's Church, Woolton, Liverpool War Memorial.

    All Sister knows is that he took off and was never seen again.

    Many thanks
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  • simfrank
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Oct 2007
    • 25

    #2
    At present I can't seem to find anything on your man apart from his service number which is: 905025

    He isn't listed in the bomber command losses roll of honour book (vol9) yet his name appears on the Runnymede Memorial, he also isn't listed in the 1941 book or the otu and hcu books.

    I've also checked the coastal command losses and the fighter command losses books all to no avail.

    Someone somewhere must know something about what happened to him?

    In the meantime I will keep looking.

    Regards

    Simon

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    • Alan Clark
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Jan 2005
      • 817

      #3
      He must have been with a fighter unit as he was involved in a ground accident at Usworth while with No.55 OTU.

      Below is an entry from the 55 OTU Operations Record Book.

      March 23rd 1941, Taxying accident to Master N7778 at Usworth 905025 Sgt McKenzie,
      G.A. uninjured.

      I don't have a recorded entry for the 7th April, but there may have been one.
      Peak District Air Accident Research

      www.peakdistrictaircrashes.co.uk

      Aircraft Wrecks: The Walker's Guide

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      • RAF Millom
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Dec 2006
        • 340

        #4
        Originally posted by Alan Clark View Post
        He must have been with a fighter unit as he was involved in a ground accident at Usworth while with No.55 OTU.

        Below is an entry from the 55 OTU Operations Record Book.

        March 23rd 1941, Taxying accident to Master N7778 at Usworth 905025 Sgt McKenzie,
        G.A. uninjured.

        I don't have a recorded entry for the 7th April, but there may have been one.
        Wonder if he was still with No. 55 OTU as he was killed 2 weeks later, may explain why he is not in the Fighter Comand books, and with the proximity of Usworth to the sea, that is were he may of crashed.
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        • Alan Clark
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Jan 2005
          • 817

          #5
          I think he was still with 55 OTU when he died. He was probably flying a Hurricane Mk.I as that was the mainstay of that OTU.

          Fighter Command Losses only covers operational losses so no info about OTUs and even non-op squadron losses.
          Peak District Air Accident Research

          www.peakdistrictaircrashes.co.uk

          Aircraft Wrecks: The Walker's Guide

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          • Alan Clark
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Jan 2005
            • 817

            #6
            He was still with 55 OTU on the 7th April.

            I e-mailed Bill Chorley to see if he could find an entry in the ORB and the loss of Gordon McKenzie is recorded. The only problem is they got the serial number of the aircraft wrong. It was recorded as N2124 which was a Fairey Battle and none of the other Nxx24 serials are right either. It is possibly L2124, though this aircraft was recorded as Cat E write off in an accident at Moreton in the Marsh during December 1940. The pilot was uninjured though which does seem odd so it was possibly repaired.
            Peak District Air Accident Research

            www.peakdistrictaircrashes.co.uk

            Aircraft Wrecks: The Walker's Guide

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            • Ashley hay
              Rank 4 Registered User
              • Sep 2014
              • 11

              #7
              Originally posted by Alan Clark View Post
              He was still with 55 OTU on the 7th April.

              I e-mailed Bill Chorley to see if he could find an entry in the ORB and the loss of Gordon McKenzie is recorded. The only problem is they got the serial number of the aircraft wrong. It was recorded as N2124 which was a Fairey Battle and none of the other Nxx24 serials are right either. It is possibly L2124, though this aircraft was recorded as Cat E write off in an accident at Moreton in the Marsh during December 1940. The pilot was uninjured though which does seem odd so it was possibly repaired.

              Hi, I have just bought a 1932 MG car owned by Gordon McKenzie and it is the same man. I am currently trying to find out information from his nephew. The family have not talked about the incident, the only I go I have is that his death was no where near Liverpool!

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              • paulmcmillan
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Jan 2000
                • 2623

                #8
                "His death was no where near Liverpool! " probably not but he is recorded on the St Peter's Church, Woolton, Liverpool War Memorial. So probably from that area

                He was http://liverpoolremembrance.weebly.c...institute.html

                However, web site is wrong, no body is buried at St Peters, he only on memorial stone. No death registration in UK so probably lost at sea

                Births Dec 1917 (>99%)

                McKenzie Gordon A Lott Prescot (Lancashire)
                Last edited by paulmcmillan; 3rd June 2015, 13:33.
                Weather - Fair with cloudy patches, clear by early evening.

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                • Ross_McNeill
                  Timewaster Magnet...
                  • Jan 2000
                  • 857

                  #9
                  Killed when his Hurricane crashed into the sea while tasked with an oxygen climb to 25,000 ft.

                  Form 1180 has it as N2124.

                  Ross
                  Restorer of Canberra PR.9 XH175 and anon (but looking more like 8249) Anson Mk.II

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                  • Whitley_Project
                    If in doubt apply heat..
                    • Jan 2000
                    • 2827

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Ashley hay View Post
                    Hi, I have just bought a 1932 MG car owned by Gordon McKenzie and it is the same man. I am currently trying to find out information from his nephew. The family have not talked about the incident, the only I go I have is that his death was no where near Liverpool!
                    Any chance of a pic of the car Ashley?

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                    • paulmcmillan
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Jan 2000
                      • 2623

                      #11
                      Hurricane acquaintance of mine confirms L2124 Cat E on 7.4.41 but he could not find Accident card for this. So maybe a typo
                      Weather - Fair with cloudy patches, clear by early evening.

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                      • Ashley hay
                        Rank 4 Registered User
                        • Sep 2014
                        • 11

                        #12
                        I will forward a picture of Gordon McKenzie in the MG also his brother R N McKenzie who was a test pilot of Roots built Halifax Bombers at Liverpool Airport. Also a phot of the car as is currently. Also there is a photo of Hurricane Mk 1. L2124, SD-H with 501 Squadron September 1939 at Tangmere, again I will forward this.
                        On www.aviationarcaeology.or.uk it states on 05-12-1940 Hurricane L2124 of 55OTU nosed over on landing at Morton- In- Marsh,
                        I am waiting on the Nephew of Gordon McKenzie to come back to me re info, so will pass on ASAP.

                        Regards,

                        Ashley

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                        • Ashley hay
                          Rank 4 Registered User
                          • Sep 2014
                          • 11

                          #13
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                          I hope this has worked, this should be photo of Gordon McKenzie, I don't know where the photo was taken
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                          • Ashley hay
                            Rank 4 Registered User
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 11

                            #14
                            Second photo is the brother R N McKenzie, the car went to him after Gordon's death

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                            • Ashley hay
                              Rank 4 Registered User
                              • Sep 2014
                              • 11

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Ashley hay View Post
                              Second photo is the brother R N McKenzie, the car went to him after Gordon's death
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                              The car as is now undergoing restoration

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                              • Ashley hay
                                Rank 4 Registered User
                                • Sep 2014
                                • 11

                                #16
                                Hurricane L2124. SD-H
                                Please excuse my ignorance but what do the letters/ numbers mean?Click image for larger version

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                                • paulmcmillan
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Jan 2000
                                  • 2623

                                  #17
                                  05-12-1940 Hurricane L2124 of 55OTU nosed over on landing at Morton- In- Marsh,

                                  Pilot Sgt Brian Cochrane Walmsley #968165
                                  Killed as WO 22/07/1943

                                  Aircraft was repaired after this minor incident
                                  Weather - Fair with cloudy patches, clear by early evening.

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                                  • paulmcmillan
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Jan 2000
                                    • 2623

                                    #18
                                    Please excuse my ignorance but what do the letters/ numbers mean?

                                    SD is 501 Sqn Code - All aircraft in this sqn would carry this
                                    H is the individual Code for that Plane. This would be on one plane at time and only re-used in Sqn plane written off on transferred out

                                    Allows Identification in Sky

                                    Low letters A B C D etc generally mean A Flight

                                    High Letters N P Q generally mean B Flight

                                    but this only works for two flights

                                    Some letters like I and O generally not used (as could be 1 or 0)
                                    Weather - Fair with cloudy patches, clear by early evening.

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                                    • Ashley hay
                                      Rank 4 Registered User
                                      • Sep 2014
                                      • 11

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Ross_McNeill View Post
                                      Killed when his Hurricane crashed into the sea while tasked with an oxygen climb to 25,000 ft.

                                      Form 1180 has it as N2124.

                                      Ross
                                      Hi Ross, can I ask where you got the information from and do you know where he crashed?
                                      Many thanks

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                                      • Ashley hay
                                        Rank 4 Registered User
                                        • Sep 2014
                                        • 11

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Ross_McNeill View Post
                                        Killed when his Hurricane crashed into the sea while tasked with an oxygen climb to 25,000 ft.

                                        Form 1180 has it as N2124.

                                        Ross
                                        Would this be an accident in training, in conflict? Any ideas why this would happen.
                                        Is there a copy of form 1180?
                                        Any other information that is available.
                                        The plane clearly had an amazing history prior. I can't find out who was flying the plane in the Battle of Britain, any ideas?

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