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  • Apogee
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Dec 2006
    • 29

    Tom Blair FW-190 D9 Link (2007 Zombie)

    http://warbirdinformationexchange.or...ic.php?t=17579
  • Bomberboy
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Nov 2004
    • 854

    #2
    Blimey!!!!

    When I saw this but 10 days ago-ish, it had only been unloaded in pieces the day before and now it's already running again!

    I was however under the impression that like his one at DX, it does not have any kind of certification for flying status.
    I could be wrong of course!!!

    Nice collection of motor cars in their as well!!!!!

    Bomberboy
    Last edited by Bomberboy; 13th December 2007, 16:57. Reason: typo's

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    • DCK
      DCK
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Feb 2006
      • 1361

      #3
      I was however under the impression that like his one at DX, it does not have any kind of certification for flying status.
      Why is it that restoration projects fly while a newly made F190 can't?
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      • David Burke
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Jan 2000
        • 10010

        #4
        Because restorations are largely rebuilt to the drawings from which it originated. The Flug Werke aircraft have a number of deviations from the genuine article.

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        • DazDaMan
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Aug 2003
          • 18635

          #5
          Mother of God!

          I don't give a tiny toss whether it's replica, new build, whatever, but I seriously cannot wait to see THAT fly! The 190D-9 was always a childhood fave!!
          Daren Cogdon

          Spitfire fanatic

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          • Oxcart
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Nov 2007
            • 2048

            #6
            I read somewhere that ACE got into trouble for modifying the Allison engine for the new D-9's- hope thats been resolved
            Give a man a fish and eat for a day. Give a man a fishing rod and he'll eat for a lifetime. Give a man religion and he'll die praying for a fish!

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            • JgerMarty
              Plastic Pilot
              • Mar 2005
              • 559

              #7
              Yeah, it looks great. Hopefully flying very soon.
              Some closeup pics of the final colour scheme would be sweet too

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              • Mark V
                Steve Atkin
                • Jun 2003
                • 3091

                #8
                Originally posted by David Burke View Post
                Because restorations are largely rebuilt to the drawings from which it originated. The Flug Werke aircraft have a number of deviations from the genuine article.
                I would put a finer point on it than that - its simply that a 'restoration' is defined as work to an original aircraft (however scant the original remains may be), a new build is just that, a new aircraft. If it is not an original aircraft it cannot be certified with a Permit to Fly in the UK, regardless of how close it is to the design of the original.
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                • J Boyle
                  With malice towards none
                  • Oct 2004
                  • 9650

                  #9
                  Originally posted by David Burke View Post
                  Because restorations are largely rebuilt to the drawings from which it originated. The Flug Werke aircraft have a number of deviations from the genuine article.
                  I understand that.
                  (BTW: In the US, you can rebuild any aircraft that has been given a Type certificate (that started in 1927) and as long as you built (or rebuild it) to those standars, you're clear to fly unter that certificate. If not, there is always the "experimental" label.)

                  But how could an original or rebuilt FW-190 (or Bf-109..or to stretch a point some of the MiGs that have appeared at airshows) fly in the UK?
                  Certainly its design/drawings was never "approved" by the CAA.
                  Last edited by J Boyle; 14th December 2007, 14:59.
                  There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.

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                  • Mark V
                    Steve Atkin
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 3091

                    #10
                    Originally posted by J Boyle View Post
                    (BTW: In the US, you can rebuild any aircraft that has been given a Type certificate (that started in 1927) and as long as you built (rebuild it to those standars, you're clear to fly unter that certificate. If not, there is always the "experimental" label.)
                    This route allows you to register your warbird in the Limited catergory which imposes fewer limitations on operation of the type. For example you can fly IFR, at night etc (prohibited in the Experimental catergory). For an example the P-38 Lightning, P-51D and P-51C have all been through the certification process in the past, this gives rise to the curious situation of anyone with a P-51B registering their aircraft as a P-51C. I know they are the same aircraft, just built in different places, but it shows how onerous the route is without a previous certificate having been issued, its easier to just call it a C model!

                    Originally posted by J Boyle View Post
                    But how could an original or rebuilt FW-190 (or Bf-109..or to stretch a point some of the MiGs that have appeared at airshows) fly in the UK?
                    Certainly its design/drawings was never "approved" by the CAA.
                    Such types could fly (and have flown) on a 'Permit to Fly', as I said in my earlier post, so long as they are they are 'original' re-built aircraft. The Permit system covers ex military aircraft and they do not have to have received a prior approval. Moreover this is why the permit system exists as such types as the Spitfire, Hurricane (and FW-190 for that matter) etc never had civil versions designed by the original manufacturer, so no existing civillian approval would be in place.

                    A new replica of any of these types would be much more difficult to get certification for as it is in effect a new type that has not seen military service and is not automatically eligable to apply for a PtF. This explains why most homebuilt type replica fighters are 70% or 80% the size of the original - this reduces the weight and brings them under the limit for PFA certification in the UK.
                    Last edited by Mark V; 14th December 2007, 17:09.
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                    • trumper
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 6618

                      #11
                      Sorry to bump up an old thread but i see 1 year later [from the start of this thread] she is back in the OFMC hangar with the Buchon again if anyone wants to see them.
                      I don't suppose there's any more news on her chances of ever flying over here,

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                      • MK959
                        Benjamin Gilbert
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 333

                        #12
                        Originally posted by trumper View Post
                        Sorry to bump up an old thread but i see 1 year later [from the start of this thread] she is back in the OFMC hangar with the Buchon again if anyone wants to see them.
                        I don't suppose there's any more news on her chances of ever flying over here,
                        AFAIK, it's actually Tom Blair other FW 190A-9 (short-nose) also build by Flug Werk which is at Duxford. The D-9/N is still with Stallion 51 @ Kissimmee in Florida.

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                        • trumper
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 6618

                          #13
                          Whoops sorry,

                          My apologies,too many F/W 's in the world now

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