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  • Aeronut
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2005
    • 157

    Butterfly bomb help required

    Having spent the day sorting through some long forgotton artifacts belonging to the museum at Middle Wallop we came across an item that beat our group knowledge to identify.
    I've more or less convinced myself that it is part of the outer casing of a German SD2 butterfly bomb container. If it is the whole would be roughly cruciform in section. The part has a elongated ring for suspension and then an electrically operated switch arrangement to release it. Before anyone asks, I can see no markings of any sort on it.
    So to put my mind at rest has anyone got a picture of the beast (not the bomb but the container - presumably also bomb shaped) or at least can someone point me in the direction of one.
  • CSheppardholedi
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Nov 2006
    • 586

    #2
    Is this the beastie?
    http://www.millsgrenades.co.uk/image...bombs/sd2a.JPG
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    • Canberra man
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      • Apr 2007
      • 115

      #3
      Butterfly Bomb containers.

      When Grimsby was showered with these bombs in 1942 I was only twelve, but I remember seeing containers littered around the town and they seemed to be cylindrical, five feet long and about three feet in diameter. They appeared to be spring loaded to open on leaving the aircraft scattering the bombs willy nilly.

      Ken

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      • Aeronut
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2005
        • 157

        #4
        Click image for larger version

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        This is the item I need to identify. Its only a thought that it might be a butterfly bomb container, but whatever it is it screams air dropped dispensing container, but what and whose is it?

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        • Aeronut
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2005
          • 157

          #5
          Here is another whatisit from the bowles of the Museum at Middle Wallop.
          Is ir a spinner, It can't be a radome as its all aluminium, this time there is a serial number 559 41 1d 139B and then something that looks like an angel or a stylised eagle. Click image for larger version

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          • anneorac
            Ex-Pat Scottish Member
            • Jan 2000
            • 653

            #6
            Not a SD 2 container but possibility part of a 1kg incendiary container. Looks very similar to the AB36 container the Luftwaffe used for carrying 36 1kg or 24 2kg incendiaries. The only thing is that it looks like its made of aluminium while the info I've got (a 1944 US Navy Bomb Disposal Manual) says the AB36 should be steel and the illustrations doesn't show any fins.

            Anne
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            • Phillip Rhodes
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Aug 2004
              • 1270

              #7
              Originally posted by CSheppardholedi View Post
              Not sure but I was always told that these bombs were impossible to defuse - which makes me wonder if this one is still live?
              Apathy is as powerful as any bulldozer and equally cherished by developers. Others cannot measure the importance of our heritage with OUR silence.

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              • Canberra man
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Apr 2007
                • 115

                #8
                Butterfly bombs

                They could not be defused because on the way down after being ejected from the container, the outer casing formed a fan which rotated and unscrewed the fuse. Depending on how far the fuse was unscrewed was the sensitivty. Theonly way of disposing of them was to cover them gently with sandbags, drop in (carefully) a wad of gun cotton with a 30 second fuse) light blue touch paper and retire imediately!!!

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                • Phillip Rhodes
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                  • Aug 2004
                  • 1270

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Canberra man View Post
                  They could not be defused because on the way down after being ejected from the container, the outer casing formed a fan which rotated and unscrewed the fuse. Depending on how far the fuse was unscrewed was the sensitivty. Theonly way of disposing of them was to cover them gently with sandbags, drop in (carefully) a wad of gun cotton with a 30 second fuse) light blue touch paper and retire imediately!!!
                  So if someone had one in their collection, it should be considered "live"?

                  http://www.millsgrenades.co.uk/image...bombs/sd2a.JPG
                  Apathy is as powerful as any bulldozer and equally cherished by developers. Others cannot measure the importance of our heritage with OUR silence.

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                  • Denis
                    The past is preferable!
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 1517

                    #10
                    Prince Charles had one on his mantlepiece at Highgrove House years ago. That too was live and had to be 'rendered safe by detonation'. I am also under the impression that there was no way to safely defuse the sods.
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                    • tangmere
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2000
                      • 605

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Denis View Post
                      Prince Charles had one on his mantlepiece at Highgrove House years ago. That too was live and had to be 'rendered safe by detonation'. I am also under the impression that there was no way to safely defuse the sods.
                      I used to have a "mint" example given me by an ex-bomb disposal man and I know of several other inert examples in private hands. I think the EOD policy is to assume they are live and blow them up whatever the circumstances! Andy Saunders

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                      • tangmere
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2000
                        • 605

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Aeronut View Post
                        Here is another whatisit from the bowles of the Museum at Middle Wallop.
                        Is ir a spinner, It can't be a radome as its all aluminium, this time there is a serial number 559 41 1d 139B and then something that looks like an angel or a stylised eagle. [ATTACH]151773[/ATTACH]

                        [ATTACH]151774[/ATTACH]
                        These quite often turn up and are mistaken for some kind of prop spinner cone. In fact, the parachute housing dome of a Luftwaffe "Luftmine" or parachute mine - probably a LMA or LMB rather than the "Monika" sea mine or BM1000. This one was manufactured in 1941 and was probably one of many dropped in the Blitz. Andy Saunders

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                        • QldSpitty
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                          • Apr 2006
                          • 2628

                          #13
                          Bomb defusing..

                          A large hammer usually works first time...:diablo:
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                          • Aeronut
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2005
                            • 157

                            #14
                            Tangmere, thanks for that, I'm sure the currator at Middle Wallop will be delighted when I tell her. I did have a suspicion that it was an aerodynamic nose for something as blunt nosed as a mine but needed someone who knew to confirm it.

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                            • Flying_Pencil
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 737

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Aeronut View Post
                              [ATTACH]151757[/ATTACH]

                              This is the item I need to identify. Its only a thought that it might be a butterfly bomb container, but whatever it is it screams air dropped dispensing container, but what and whose is it?
                              I have manual for SD-2 (B-bomb) dispensers, and that does not look like it.
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                              • TonyT
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Oct 2006
                                • 9044

                                #16
                                A large hammer usually works first time...:diablo:
                                But don't forget to close your eyes and put your spare finger in one of your ears, they can be noisy blighters

                                these were the modern Ruskie version we played with in the 80's

                                Last edited by TonyT; 22nd October 2014, 15:48.

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                                • TonyT
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Oct 2006
                                  • 9044

                                  #17


                                  I am pretty sure it used to be called a 3 1/2 inch floppy, but no one uses such things these days

                                  seriously though, when you flip it does it look like this?

                                  http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30023916

                                  says butterfly items cannot be defused, see

                                  http://inert-ord.net/usa03a/usa6/bfly/index.html

                                  ..
                                  Last edited by TonyT; 22nd October 2014, 15:56.

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                                  • redhillwings
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Feb 2008
                                    • 825

                                    #18
                                    This is a Abwurfbehalter AB-36 which contained 36 1kg Incendiary bombs. Looks like only half of it??
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                                    • cabbage
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Jun 2011
                                      • 313

                                      #19
                                      these were the modern Ruskie version we played with in the 80's

                                      [/QUOTE]

                                      Ah the notorious "Green Parrot" much beloved of Taceval organisers.

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                                      • MindOverMatter
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Feb 2014
                                        • 71

                                        #20
                                        One of the several types of container produced to hold German B1 incendiary bombs.

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